a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Rick Perry couldn't pay his Iowa chairman

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251851-rick-perrys-iowa-chairman-quits

http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/fdw1285pmnd45bgfrtgp.jpg

shocking!

maybe it was something he said??

Awesome! Unsourced factoid from random guy on twitter was correct! I'm going to assume that will always be the case.

So if it wasn't for Trump, both Texans are the least favorable candidates for Hispanics.

Jeb! is a Texan, sorta.

yeah but he's busy figuring out how to insult other continents

'there's gotta be a better way!'

% share of candidate contributions coming from people giving less than $200
Clinton: 13
Sanders: 77
Bush: 1
Rubio: 8
Walker: 0
Cruz: 11

(in other words, 77% of the contributions to sanders' campaign have from people who gave less than $200)

http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/federal/president/2016/Pres16_SuperPAC-Campaign_Donors_June30.pdf

also, jeb bush has $114 in contributions so far. next closest are clinton (62.7 ) and ted cruz (50.9). and he's a complete doofus. amazing country!

also, jeb bush has $114 million in contributions so far

Jeb! is a Texan, sorta.

― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 25, 2015 8:25 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, and say this, both of the Floridans are leading.

I mean, if we're going to let GWB get away with calling himself a Texan, then we gotta let Jeb call himself Florida Man.

J. E. "Florida Man" Bushington Jeb! III.

desperately hoping JEB! takes this advice: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/08/25/5-good-reasons-for-jeb-bush-to-attack-donald-trump/

He could do it; there's no predicting that guy. Jeb! is truly outrageous.

https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/636219144929677317

this high school shit.

sorry roger you created a monster. reap the whirlwind bitch.

oh come on, he knows this is good for ratings, this is faux outrage

this is getting so sad and pathetic i can't even believe it

well we might ALL be

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated

all be reaping the whirlwind that is

did the beating story make it itt? the two shitkickers from boston who beat up the homeless hispanic guy with trump's name in their mouth.

yeah I think that was mentioned

wonder what this means -- in 07 ilx was an obama hotbed, but now in 15 the vibe is only mildly pro-bernie if at all? unless i'm misreading folks here. or sort of shrug-resigned to hillary? has B's old-left stumbling around race in 2015 tanked him with internet left people? we're all 8 years older. idk, it's an interesting point in community evolution.

Personally I think Bernie is handling it fine. I mean during the incident he stepped back and let the activists speak, then hired them and put together an official policy for addressing their concerns. Haven't kept up w the FB outrage brigade tho so not sure if people actually upset about him or it's just news trolling during the slow summer.

HBO will one day offer Larry David the Sanders role, right?

If Jeb Bush wasn't in the race it would be easier to hold my nose and vote Hillary but just seeing "Bush vs. Clinton" it's like, dang, fuck this weak tea monarchy bs.

I support Bernie Sanders but he will never, ever win an election in this country

Great insight, bro.

p safe to say that Obama was a better candidate than any of the current crop, don't think it's anything more complex than that.

I don't really support Sanders' candidacy but *pedant alert* he's already won numerous elections in this country fyi

damn... owned

i support bernie but ultimately think his contribution (b/c he won't win) will be to shift range of acceptable topics among local and congressional candidates nationwide (making it okay to support socialistic/old-school FDR stuff again)

energy devoted to Bernie would be better spent getting Bernie-types elected to local office imo

and if those kinds of organizing/victories are a side-effect of his candidacy, that's cool

i dunno whassisname won, that was pretty unprecedented

It's early days. HRC v Bernie is barely off the ground. In some ways, Hillary's attempt to close out all competition and create a clear path to the nomination might work against her, in that the lack of alternative candidates has handed Sanders a good-sized voting bloc of "not Hillary plz" voters right from the start. That gives him a base, money and credibility he barely had to work for and something of a flying start he couldn't have achieved in a more crowded field.

I don't know if he's skillful enough to leverage that set of resources into a broad campaign that captures average middling voters, but Hillary is not a natural campaigner, so I'd say Bernie's got a puncher's chance.

Sander's support is so limited to white male liberals, that he really doesn't have a chance, and he quite simply was slow on the uptake that other groups wouldn't agree with him once they got to know him. Unless he gets more support in South Carolina especially, where as far as I can see, his best result is being just 38 points behind in a single poll, he won't go anywhere, no matter how many votes he'll get in Portland.

did the beating story make it itt? the two shitkickers from boston who beat up the homeless hispanic guy with trump's name in their mouth.

― goole, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:16 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't the story though - the story is Trump's response being "well, my followers are very passionate"

the real work is turning some state legislatures blue.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/local/article/This-tub-of-butter-looks-a-lot-like-Donald-6462398.php

my local newspaper is an embarassment to journalism fwiw

those state legislatures are labs for dangerous shit that gets introduced nationally when those bozos get to Congress

Sander's support is so limited to white male liberals

I don't think this is true at all fwiw, women love Bernie (certainly plenty of the white liberal women I know do)

Alfred otm

that tub of butter looks like kuato

In a yougov poll, Sanders was the most liked democratic nominee amongst the white vote, beating Hilary 38-37, but had the support of a whopping 4% of the black vote. Funnily enough, the white vote is the only one that Bernie wins. Not the liberal vote, though he obviously does well there. Not the midwest vote, though he is close. No, the only part of the vote where Sanders is beating Hilary is the white vote. And while that might be good enough to win the republican primary, it's a big problem for a democratic candidate.

look Bernie's not a serious candidate. He's gonna maybe win Iowa + New Hampshire (if he even gets that far) and then it's over.

the important thing to remember is it's endtimes, and i had better be fucking dead by the time shit gets real.

and the beginning of thae actual fucking voting is 3-1/2 months away, Frederik. Things can change. (But obv the Dems will stop Sanders any way they can if he figures out how to win the black vote.)

Frederik B - This line keeps getting repeated, and it's not without basis in the facts, but it's also weird... like repeating his current performance makes it into a prophecy of the future. Do I expect that Bernie is going to eventually capture 75% of the black vote? No. Does he have some innate weaknesses owing to his career/background in trying to reach a national audience? Sure. Do I think his numbers have some potential of going up once he's actually, like, actively courted black voters? Well, yeah. The first primaries are not til February. Is he even airing any ads yet?

Why would it be "over" after Iowa and New Hampshire? Not to say he has a huge shot of winning any other primaries, but given that he's likely not running to win, I could see him beating his drum as long as there are money and donors. The example here would be Kucinich 2004, who kept it rolling basically up until the convention without winning anything.

points deducted for resorting to Rumsfeldian Q&A style there

We go to ILX with the dull rhetorical tropes we have.