a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

ah, yes, a 15 year old libertarian

who likes bernie sanders

dying at ted cruz's voice

― brimstead, Thursday, August 20, 2015 12:25 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol otm, best part imo

a Jeb quote i read yesterday: "I may be the tortoise in the race. But I'm a joyful tortoise."

sorry i see that was mentioned last week

back to the important shit like teen punking faux democracy

rolling stone ran that

i'm still trying to figure out this fourteenth amendment thing. so is the idea for the US to just start stripping citizenship and creating stateless persons en masse? or "only" to walk back "give me your tired, your etc" and stop granting new citizenship to anybody born here, like you'd have to pass a bloodline test or something? help me out here i'm struggling with which degree of fascist fantasy is gaining traction and i want to be able to communicate with the youth

a Jeb quote i read yesterday: "I may be the tortoise in the race. But I'm a joyful tortoise."

is that from the bad lip reading video?

so we've got an Iowa radio host endorsing slavery: http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/19/ia-radio-host-jan-mickelson-enslave-undocumente/205020

so is the idea for the US to just start stripping citizenship and creating stateless persons en masse?

I think the idea is p simple (albeit morally abhorrent) - if you are not a citizen and you have children here, the children are not granted citizenship by virtue of having been born on US soil. Conversely, if you are already a citizen and you have a child on US soil, that child is automatically granted citizenship.

Obviously implementing this (which will never happen btw) would create a huge underclass of stateless persons/actually *increase* the number of "illegals"/non-citizens in the country but hey why should anyone consider that

Jeb yesterday used the term Trump likes, "anchor babies," to refer to the children of illegal immigrants born here

One concept in the mindset is to "turn off the magnet." Make coming to the USA less attractive than staying in El Salvador or wherever.

immigration is at like a 20 year low because of this ^^

mostly because america isnt so much the shinning beacon of opportunity like it once was. usa usa.

Obviously implementing this (which will never happen btw) would create a huge underclass of stateless persons/actually *increase* the number of "illegals"/non-citizens in the country but hey why should anyone consider that

Fuel for threatening to shut down the gov't every year for the next century.

http://i.imgur.com/c1WS7Q9.png

nepotism

freedom bastards

american english punctuation inside quotations is weird

I can't believe there are ppl that think they should inherit a special position in society just because of who their parents were, thanks for getting on that Jeb Bush.

This whole 14th amendment discussion is basically a version of a "sorry, this lifeboat is full and if you try to get in here we'll brain you with this oar to save ourselves" attitude. That level of desperation creates its own emotional truth that's impervious to external facts.

One concept in the mindset is to "turn off the magnet." Make coming to the USA less attractive than staying in El Salvador or wherever.

― persona non gratin (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:49 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

honestly the idea that everybody has been working to make the us less attractive explains a lot

imagine the immigration discussions as the equatorial regions become uninhabitable.

wow, a truly inspiring hilary tweet, keep those coming

I don't know about inspiring, but Hillary seems to have twitter down

I don't think an inspiring tweet is possible but then I don't really get twitter

I can't believe there are ppl that think they should inherit a special position in society just because of who their parents were, thanks for getting on that Jeb Bush.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:39 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

Just ftr: 'Birthright Citizenship' or 'Jus Soli' is much more common in the Americas than in the rest of the world. Not a single country in Europe has that right, most give citizenship through 'Jus Sanguine' or right of the blood. Changing should not cause an underclass of stateless citizens mentioned upthread, since international conventions obliges every country to grant citizenship to people on soil who would otherwise be stateless*. I'm not sure where I stand on morality - I'm pro-open borders in general - but it seems logistically problematic in an area with open borders like EU after Schengen. To me the GOP attack on this is mainly hypocritical for two reasons: 1) US is a nation of immigrants and b) Apparently Amendments can be changed to strip children of citizenship, but not to keep them save from guns. Great prioritizing there.

*(BIG thing in Denmark, the populist right wing hates these kinds of conventions. Just the other day a rapport was released on unlawful practices in the casework of stateless Palestinians in the Immigration Department a few years back. It's shadowy but probably the bureaucracy slowed down cases and mislead the Minister to avoid having to fight with the populist right.)

american english punctuation inside quotations is weird

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

International conventions don't require countries to offer citizenship to otherwise stateless people and, even if they did, the U.S has continually refused to sign up to either the 1954 or 1961 conventions on statelessness, iirc. Xp

You know, before we get too excited, do we even know where Deez Nuts hails from? I demand a birth certificate.

from your mom iirc

I think we all share some DNA with Deez Nuts.

International conventions require commas inside quotation marks iirc

xp now you know what the DN stands for son

it's so awful though everybody otm

like can't i with the full protection of the law with no court in a position to judge me smuggle exclamation marks into other people's mouths

If I put some Nuts in a poll would I have pollnuts?

what the fuck

https://twitter.com/SamanthaJoRoth/status/634780959334899712

mh where are you on this

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/ellen-page-grills-ted-cruz-iowa-state-fair-33231356

exchange is some sad hypothetical debate team shit that has no bearing on anything of course

ie "what if we forced a gay florist to provide flowers to an evangelical wedding" etc.

I feel like gay florists have provided flowers to many evangelical weddings

what are the odds

and so many marriages end in divorce!!

WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT?!?!

sorry, i was channeling ted cruz there

although i forgot to somehow tie it into ISIS and "liberal intolerance"

I feel like 80% of Cruz's public persona is overcompensation for how terrible his voice is.

He looks like a guy wearing a mask to me. Not metaphorically- I'm saying he looks like he's preparing to rob a bank.

and how terrible his hair is, how much he looks like a man who retains an intensive amount of water...

He just looks hastily cobbled together, generally speaking.