a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

he has been at the forefront of 'copyright reform'? eh? there has been no copyright reform. not least because he lost the biggest copyright case the supreme court heard since he wrote "the future of ideas" (lol)

assuming its goal was to have some flickr content released under slightly more permissive licenses, while materially harming the free software movement, CC was a success i guess. i guess it made local neighborhood blog picture editors' lives easier. is it still around?

http://blog.fawny.org/2009/08/04/knopf-nesson/

the 'free culture' movement continues to praise him for his 'achievements', meanwhile he has moved on (because they were nil)

can't wait to see him shift the needle on campaign reform

What's a good critique of Lessig's success or failure re: free culture?

Never mind. Shouldn't read threads from the bottom up! Apologies

i guess i would say: he's slightly more radical than thomas friedman, but exactly as smart

lmao @ the idea that CC is only worthwhile for flickr photos

and the fact that copyright reform hasn't happened at all I think speaks more for entrenched corporate interests than it does for the acumen of copyright activists

he went to harvard for evolutionary psychology

man, do we have a thread on the insanity (or inanity) of evolutionary psych? Everyone involved with this bullshit is some kind of crazy.

he was right about a lot of things re: copyright (when he was still taking an interest), and the fact that nothing has changed and things have in many ways gotten worse speaks to me of his failure as a political operator or leader or persuader.

it may also speak to corporate interests, but we're talking about a presidential run here. kind of looking for a track record of success, not a resume of failures in the face of difficult odds and a couple of TED talks.

oh i have no doubts that a presidential run is a silly thing for lessig to do and will accomplish basically nothing

that said though i do think it is strange that you are placing the failure of efforts to reform a completely fucked and byzantine copyright system onto lessig's shoulders -- one dude we're talking about. i mean, "may also" speak to corporate interests? "may also"?? what has, i don't know, the past 100 years of copyright law taught us?

CC by the way has been one of the most successful ways of simplifying copyright law without having to wrangle in some complex legislative change through congress and is pretty vital and widely used ime. i don't know, i'm a librarian, we maintain shitloads of materials in our collections and basically work daily to enable as wide of access as possible and CC has been a life saver for us in clarifying what in our collections and resources can be used by whom and in what ways. would it be better if more people used it? sure, but i think you are underestimating its use and importance by dismissing it as useful for lol "local neighborhood blogs" and flickr. i mean there are whole global movements right now e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_educational_resources that widely use and rely on CC and are totally revamping how research is published, produced, and consumed and CC plays a huge fucking role in making that happen

sorry the derail, i know there are other copyright threads! back to shitting on these republican jokers

man, do we have a thread on the insanity (or inanity) of evolutionary psych? Everyone involved with this bullshit is some kind of crazy.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, August 13, 2015 5:17 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not a great thread but

Things undergraduates with a burgeoning interest in evolutionary psychology say

i mean i'm 40% trolling here with the lol flickr stuff, but i do want to push back against the idea that lessig is solely a victim of circumstance. he also has a history of being unpersuasive and tactically inept, assuming you agree with his ideas (which i haven't always).

also i think you're overestimating the role of CC licenses (and especially the role of the CC foundation) in those open research/publishing movements. i don't have any evidence so this is appeal to self-authority fallacy (the worst of the fallacies), but i did work in westminster researching copyright, open source software, open data, etc. for a (lol now discredited) political party, i was an academic for 10 years, i worked for an academic publisher when lessig was at his peak as a figurehead of the copyright movement (2005ish?), and i'm now a data scientist (and a user of open data). CC simply never came up in my practical experience.

i also think the least copyleft (and most used?) CC licenses are actively harmful.

do i sound like kevin bacon in jfk now

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsB/766-9760.gif

copyleft is coming back

yeah, i have really mixed feelings about CC (is there a thread on this?) cuz it's fucking useful as shit when you're working on a project but at the same time one is aware that it (along with, to be fair, the internet availability of images in general) really poses an enormous threat to people who scrape out a living as professional photographers.

even without CC that would probably be true, given, well, the internet. the cost value of stock photos was already going to plummet down to near zero on average (same with all media m/l)

yeah, definitely. i just catch myself relying on it in projects where the authorities now count on a basically zero budget for images and it's like, ugh

JEB! is into torture

news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-leaves-door-open-torture-government-215119175.html

Jeb Bush said he believed that the techniques were effective in producing intelligence

why does anyone ever think this

What, that a Bush would have a valuable opinion on intelligence?

haha no I mean that torture produces useful information - it's been pretty categorically proven that it does not, and yet this assertion rarely gets challenged in the media, and huge swathes of the public believe it to be true

have you even seen 24, it works all the time

I don't watch propaganda

otm It works in all the movies and TV shows.

We just live in an era where terrorism is defined by youtube videos and dangerous social media of foreign militants and not actual mass murders taking place on US soil against US citizens and political representatives.

the GOP primary IS pro wrestling/reality tv now, they may as well use tv logic to help them make decisions on torturing people

lol @ Buzz Feed trying to make Gore happen btw

(I would totally vote for Gore tbh now that the PMRC is totally irrelevant)

have you even seen 24, it works all the time

― 1993 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obv the only reason it doesn't work irl is because no one loves america enough to do the things jack bauer did

segue: what the fuck
http://shop.donaldjtrump.com/v/vspfiles/photos/DTC-16PC-RD-2.jpg

(I would totally vote for Gore tbh now that the PMRC is totally irrelevant)

― Οὖτις, Friday, August 14, 2015

and for Al?

the conservative/libertarian bloggers at http://ace.mu.nu/ have several posts grappling with 'trump, wtf' today

haha

(I would totally vote for Gore btw, now that the PMRC doesn't matter anymore)

― Οὖτις, Friday, July 17, 2015 11:35 AM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sad news for JEB!

also lol he is so fucking terrible at this:

According to Bush this week, the removal of Saddam Hussein from power “turned out to be a pretty good deal.” The 2007 troop surge was “an extraordinarily effective” strategy. By the time his brother left office, he said, the “mission was accomplished” in Iraq because security had been restored.

first actual Hillary lol as well, maybe she is getting better at this

Later in the town hall, Clinton sought to single out Jeb Bush’s comments on women’s issues, but mistakenly referred to him as “George Bush.”

“I get confused,” she said, seeming to relish her own error. “Oh, well.”

Under a blazing sun, Bush expressed irritation with what he called “the parlor game” of focusing on Wolfowitz and other past Bush administration advisers who have resurfaced for this Bush campaign.

“If I’m president, we will have a strategy on day one to take out this grave threat to our national security and to the world,” he said.

sounds like a pretty astute appraisal of wolfowitz tbh

haha yes

really wish more ppl would press him that in order to get the shangri-la of indefinite eternal occupation of iraq we'd have to overturn the status of forces agreement his brother agreed to w/ the iraqi govt he practically installed. invade a country to overthrow a govt you installed once shame on you, invade a country to overthrow a govt you installed twice won't get fooled again as the saying goes.

old saying from Tennessee iirc

https://filmgrab.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/45-porch.png

lol

imo it’s not so easy to spin sofa failure (or decision), especially given current circumstances & isis metastasis
so us admin could achieve historical deal with iran but sofa wasn’t possible/ worth it
ok

I definitely see historical parallels in the blow back from Isis from the Iraq war to the Khmer Rouge's rise in the wake of the Vietnam war and it's total destabilization of SE Asia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMcH4IRWgAAQcYr.jpg

please can we spend some time with this picture

of frasier's dad

1) jobs placard
2) death of a salesman hatrack prop hung with crumpled sweat-soaked shirts
3) framed wind turbine rendering
4) miniature white house souvenir
5) king arthur's sword
6) chair from the street

haha

that's the capitol tho

everyone had that chair in 1958