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Oh, you did sort of invite me, if posting to ILE an hour after I left the house counts. Please accept my apologies for any aspersion-casting.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

whaddya know

there is actually an offence of "drugging"

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

from the "draft criminal code for scotland", which is actually an expanded version of the current common law crime of drugging - drugging someone for a laugh doesn't appear to be a crime tho

Drugging

(1) A person who administers any drug or other substance to another person

(a) with intent to stupefy that person or being reckless as to whether that person is stupefied;

(b) with intent to facilitate the commission of an offence against that person or being reckless as to whether such an offence is committed; or

(c) with intent that that person commits an offence, or being reckless as to whether that person commits an offence, is guilty of the offence of drugging.

(2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply

(a) if the drug or substance is administered in the course of lawful medical or dental treatment; or

(b) if the other person, knowing the likely effects of the drug or substance, requested or consented to its administration.

(3) For the purpose of this section administering a drug or substance includes causing it to be taken.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

drugging someone for a laugh doesn't appear to be a crime tho

You don't need (1) (b) or (c) on top of (a) do you? Isn't (a) enough as long as the exclusions in (2) don't apply?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

oh, yeah, d'oh

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

this is from the attendant commentary on the code:

The offence in subsection (1)(a) does not require an intent to do anything, or recklessness as to anything, beyond stupefying the victim. The essence of the offence is a violation of the victim’s interest in freedom of action and volition.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

I was half right about the current law:

At common law “drugging” would generally be treated as a form of causing real injury. There is, according to Gordon, no reported instance of a charge of drugging without an ulterior intent such as theft, but various older texts, including Alison, Macdonald and Anderson are all of the view that stupefaction without an ulterior intent would be unlawful.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

So that's your drugging career over then. Oh well. Time to find a new perfect crime.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

or courting technique

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 4 December 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

I've just had a long and apologetic voicemail from Phil, who asked me to pass on his message to those concerned. As for me, I would like to apologise to Cozen for snuggling up to him and making him sick. And for doubting his expertise in the law.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

GLASGOW CAN FUCK OFF. HORRIBLE FUCKING PLACE.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

(because I work there and I don't want to have to go in tomorrow because I hate it)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

(I am drunk and feeling sorry for myself)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

snuggling up to him and making him sick

coo, the things you miss when you're at the citizens' with a six-year-old watching "charlotte's web" (which, incidentally, is astonishing and joyous and beautiful).

a painfully contrite phil asked me by e-mail to mention that he's not a complete knobhead. i can vouch for that: he really isn't. even though i get the impression he behaved like one last night.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

[sits very still and doesn't say much ever again]

― stet (stet), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

mooro-ver: i understand i met mooro on friday and didn't realise! apologies. i really am a tool.

my addled brane just remembers lucy saying: "something someone ILX somewhere" and me going: "TOP I SHALL BUY MORE BEER" and then having to make up the round on the spot at the bar because i couldn't remember what anybody wanted.

next time i shall try to have enough functioning brain cells to actually talk, mooro.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 December 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh, every time I open this thread I get more convinced it is my destiny to end up at home like a big no-mates loser whilst the rest of the world has large amounts of fun.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

go to the citz and watch "charlotte's web", ailsa! you won't regret it. whereas i do, frequently, regret consuming vast amounts of alcohol.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

best bit was turning up at the door of the RAFA club with grimly fiendish in tow, this wizened 1950s fighter ace opening the door, peering at us, and calmly saying "oho it's the tall one and the short one. Yous had better come in then".

I can't actually remember anything else, right enough. Except scoffing lots of Celebrations.

― stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Why does everyone keep apologising? You were all fun. Ta.

― Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I had fun. Elsewhere.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

I hurt my knee

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

weird; I hurt my knee too

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 December 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

I have a big bruise on my shin, just below the knee.

― stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I outrank you

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

mine was dislocation

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm actually going to be in nyc on nye. very last minute. can optimo be moved?

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

No need to apologise, Mr Fiendish. All was explained by Mädchen, with a bit of giggling & liberal use of the word "wankered".

You bought me the right drink, as well!

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

there was definitely an "-ed" on the end of the "wanker"?

i'm frankly astonished by getting the right drink. wow! good to meet you, anyway: i look forward to doing it again, properly.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

By the way, Mooro, I don't know if anyone mentioned it but that was a nice t-shirt you were wearing.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

And Grimly, I think the worst thing I said about you involved the words 'fluffy' and 'sideburns'.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

girls aloud, tomorrow

I'm going to tell them I did my knee in dancing to all their songs and they will kiss me

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Mooro, were you up? You should've said...

― KeefW (kmw), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

RJG, hold out for a massage.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Lauren, aww.

I have no major injuries, as yet.

― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I wanted to see girls aloud, i didn't.

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Mädchen, I seem to recall someone commenting favourably on my t-shirt, presumably because of its impeccable post-rock credentials. Possibly another member of the "wankered" group?

― Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

glasgow's gay

― bato (bato), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

GlasGAY, as any fule no.

Mooro, that was Phil, of apology fame.

They were meant to start giving me a new bathroom today :(

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

^ that wasn't me.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Hoho, you couples and your shared computer usage!

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Woopsy.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I am in Glasgow this weekend. It is going to be exiting, for me. And maybe for you too if you chose to come out and play. So, this weekend's feature is 'Lara in Glasgow: Arriving Friday, Leaving Monday and Open to Suggestion'.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Watch Ally wiggle his arse and sing some songs!

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Lara, did your phone die? Or did the phone company just cancel your account when the call reached €100?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

it'll be nice to meet you, lara

: )

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

oh and haha well done to rangers!!

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

(not that the call was long, I just mean international mobile to mobile)

Rangers are funny.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I agree; a bunch of weirdoes

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

YES.

― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

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