a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

did not have vp erry down as a sophomore tbh

"Good Luck With That, You Dripping Wankers," should be appended to every ilx post ever

Wait is a britishes schooling us americans on race relations in our country what is happening

nah, VP and I have beers at the VFW when he passes through the county

hmm pretty sure the queen would offer him british citizenship if she read that post

pip pip, another day amongst the most irritating sort of slitherin-trash in general, mustn't grumble

capital case in dripping wankers line is .....oddly compelling

Wait is a britishes schooling us americans on race relations in our country what is happening

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 10, 2015 7:45 PM (9 minutes ago)

no that was frederik, who's danish or something

(hears a commotion. doesn't avert gaze from the evening's scheduled entertainment of 20 presidential candidates replicating Puppy Bowl. feels glad in his choice)

Of course, white hipster nurses (eye roll)

― Iago Galdston, Monday, August 10, 2015 6:07 PM (1 hour ago)

got a lol from me tbh

Hey thanks!

who is Vic Perry?

John Dahlem's ghost

Have you ever seen Pickup on South Street?

he fell out the clown car after the millionaires left

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/

sez 'wins praise from activists', although their only evidence for that seems to be a tweet from deray

idk deray is pretty influential! he has the haters to prove it

indeed, but given the way they operate

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/07/24/appeals-court-tosses-1-of-2-indictments-against-rick-perry

lol the first place i read this story, it spun it as 'perry now to stand trial for felony abuse of power', not 'almost totally clear'

trump gets a pretty substantial bump in the polls from the debate

My friend suggested tonight he'd be out by the next debate (Sept. 6). I can't see that happening--I can't see what could possibly make it happen. Eventually, down the road, he'll either collapse or bolt. But surely he can coast for another month ("coast" = say whatever he wants, enjoy the chaos).

he's in it to win it.

I'm actually surprised at just how wild his run has been so far. I thought that all the dithering attached to his pretend-run last time would have turned enough people off that this one wouldn't really get off the ground. But he's already exceeded the circus quotient of Gingrich in 2012.

lol the first place i read this story, it spun it as 'perry now to stand trial for felony abuse of power', not 'almost totally clear'

with political prosecutions, there's always spinning from both sides
i've learned to be guarded & to question any & all partisan interpretations/representations of legal/litigative situations

ha yeah but there was so much spin on this it was like, two different news stories that were somehow about the same actual event, in principle

anyway please lord 2pac let us see this fucker thrown in the slammer

ahahaha http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/10/rick-perry-stops-paying-his-south-carolina-staff-as-fundraising-dries-up/

he's toast. will be out within two months. (perry. trump: I think he'll be around through the primaries. and I think he's going to be a very big problem for the republicans)

I can't remember what happened with Newt The Frontrunner, was there some sort of debate moment where it fell apart?

donald keeping it real:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Aug 9 New Jersey, USA
I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance!

xp I vaguely remember him being mocked for something about SPACE! but he might've been toast by that point already

i can't really remember either, he just seemed like one in the procession of candidates having moments! and then flaming out. Wikipedia reminds me that conservative media came out pretty full-force against him, don't know how much real influence that had though.

the SPACE! obsession is basically the only appealing thing about him

his frontrunner status was really brief, as soon as he had the target on his back he was done quick. managed to win south carolina but that was due to geographical proximity more than any actual state of the race.

newt had made ALOT of enemies in the party and the movement

thing about trump is, it's not like it's surprising that he's still polling just as well after the debates. if you're the kind of person who would have said, two weeks ago, "the person i rate highest for president is Donald Trump" then why would anything that got said in the debate or afterwards have changed that at all? he's got a certain segment that likes him, and they like him in part because he's a blowhard who says stupid stuff and doesn't apologize for it. of course, nobody not already on board is going to sign up, so he can't win, but he can still throw a wrench in the works. maybe in a couple ways:

(1) he keeps the more conventionally-CVed right wing loons from snowballing up to that 20%-ish point. depending when he/they drop out, this could shape the dynamics of this thing long-term, or maybe not. santorum was able to become the romney alternative just by kind of still being around at the end. no reason why huckabee or cruz can't do that the week after trump leaves the race, if they're the only nuts left. if trump doesn't drop out, then he just becomes the doomed 20% right-wing guy who keeps the primary contest alive when it's down to just him and "the mainstream guy," and super tuesday just looks like romney/santorum. but if the race hasn't collapsed down to one "electable" front-runner by that point, then all bets are off.

(2) as many have been saying, he draws a lot of press and thus affects the general election in a sort of hard-to-track way, by perhaps lowering the wider electorate's opinion of the GOP.

to be honest, i think #2 has maybe been overstated a bit. trump is clearly an individual personality, and all the coverage has really pushed that. plus his own campaign has hardly been all about what a typical republican he is - quite the opposite. so anything weird trump does or says, i think most people will just say "well, that's trump"; it won't stick to the GOP, even where it probably should. plus, if the primary goes on long enough, the winner (not trump) will have a million opportunities to position themselves as Not Like That Guy Trump. will that cost them some votes from those people that really liked trump early in the primaries? maybe. but those people may not statistically be likely voters in the general election. the 20% he's sitting on may be more like 10% or 5% of actual voting republicans, and guess what, i bet a bunch of them live in solid red states anyway. the nominee will have a free hand to piss them off as much as they deem necessary to make it clear to the wider world that they are a Compassionate, Thoughtful, Reasoned Conservative. frankly the republican establishment might be fine with tea party turnout collapsing in red states, so they can get back a stable of legislators they can control.

they got that last year

his frontrunner status was really brief, as soon as he had the target on his back he was done quick. managed to win south carolina but that was due to geographical proximity more than any actual state of the race.

None of this is true, though? He had a month as soon as Cain disappeared, solid 20-point leads over Romney, and then just slowly Romney outspent him and re-established his lead (and of course there's a lot of dirt on Gingrich). But he never flamed out then, so when he won South Carolina he got a second chance in the frame for "Oh Jesus, do we have to go for Santorum, do we have anyone else?" That was pretty brief, and coincided with his hilarious policy for a permanent moon colony, but he did as well as anyone else over the campaign.

Good explanation by vox.com: http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9127653/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter

if you assume the Crazy Trumpies top out at 25%, then as soon as the race boils down to Trump and Last NotTrump, he's done.

Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 4m4 minutes ago

Lo que dijo Trump sobre Megyn Kelly es indignante, pero el peor insulto son las políticas de los Republicanos que afectan a la mujer.

lol imagine trump scrambling to find someone who will translate for him

perry is out of money:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/10/rick-perry-stops-paying-his-south-carolina-staff-as-fundraising-dries-up/

liberal politics nerd vote to be further split:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/11/lawrence-lessig-wants-to-run-for-president-in-a-most-unconventional-way/

though the first para of that perry story is p funny

Former Texas governor Rick Perry's presidential campaign is no longer paying its staff because fundraising has dried up, while his cash-flush allied super PAC is preparing to expand its political operation to compensate for the campaign's shortcomings, campaign and super PAC officials and other Republicans familiar with the operation said late Monday.

this fuckin country

thank this man:

https://www.natcom.org/uploadedImages/CommunicationCurrents_Articles/Volume_6/Johnson_AnthonyKennedy.jpg

his real/fake campaign is broke but his fake/real campaign is rolling along, thumbs up

Bush Says Clinton ‘Stood By’ as Iraq Fell Into Violence
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and ALAN RAPPEPORT 53 minutes ago

Jeb Bush will deliver a foreign policy speech on Tuesday, when he is expected to criticize Hillary Rodham Clinton’s performance as secretary of state.

bahahahaha

history truly written by the victors

Jeb thinks that Hillary should have re-invaded Iraq and imposed regime change on Al-Maliki when she had her chance as commander in chief secretary of state?

pretty sure the only thing secretary of state would be involved in would be building and staffing that fucking fortress/embassy in the green zone

they announced the lineup for the sept 16 CNN debate, which is also two-tiered: 10 on the mainstage, 6 at the smelly kids table. only one person didn't make the cut - jim gilmore.

State Dept just a great place to harvest future cash for the Clinton Foundation

uh, the secretary of state is pretty involved in foreign policy iirc