a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

front page ed of breitbart is a real piece of work fyi

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Ak_mcq%20%23cuckservative&src=typd

what a nice human person

https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/630683009822363648
https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/630159584846483456
https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/630653056221376512

https://twitter.com/search?q=SJW%20from%3Ak_mcq&src=typd&lang=en

this kind of shit is a step or two past the line of most of these guys, or the martyr andrew himself really, way more of a takimag kind of vibe.

If I ever hear someone say "cuckservative" in person I can't be held responsible for my reaction.

Dog person. Cats are just OK... :)

When did conservatives become so interested in cuckoldry?

my wife went to high school with the editor in chief of brietbart.. he should be about 30 years old. =\

been a far right internet/twitter phenomenon for a long time now, goes hand in hand w/ their obsession with "alpha" masculinity

xp

It isn't even true class struggle, for it's really everyone against the financiers.

When you are trying to build a coalition with enough voters to win a national election, then including "everyone" in your voter base seems to me like a smart move. If your idea of class struggle requires a revolution of the proletariat, then obviously you don't accomplish that by running for President of the USA anyway.

there's an argument to be made that this is why trump is doing so well as he is simultaneously a financier, a candidate and an "Everyman" insofar as everyone has seen him act the fool on national television

or more likely, people are dumb

he said some racist shit about mexicans and he has name recognition. it really is that simple imo.

Also, I laughed really hard that the Bernie campaign used "Keep on Rockin' in a Free World" as his entrance music.

The idea seems to be, that if you break the power of the 1%, of the oligarchy, then the resulting money and power would benefit everyone else, and equally. It's almost trickle down economics in places.

this is really stretching the definition of "trickle-down economics," given that Sanders's position is to tax the rich and redistribute that wealth to other classes, and the beginning and end of "trickle-down economics" is to eliminate any existing taxes on the rich. the only thing in which it rhymes with trickle-down is the claim that society at large will benefit. by this token you might also say that literacy programs, or crash efforts to destroy killer asteroids heading straight for earth, are "almost trickle down economics in places."

Redistribution of wealth, without considering race, will always just further the racial wealth gap. Even the link Nolan puts in about the racial wealth gap begins with blaming the 1934 National Housing Act and discriminatory lending, and also points out that white people see a much larger return on college education than black and hispanic people. Helping with homeownership and education are two great ideas of redistribution, and especially education is central to Sanders' political plan, but without doing anything about racial discrimination, in the past this has only led to more racial inequality, so why should it not lead to more racial inequality in the future?

i appreciate the critical gesture here, but i'm not convinced the claims are 100% true. i would be interested to know at which junctures in US history has economic inequality been most strongly associated with race. put another way, my personal sense is that (for example) reagan's trickle-down was measurably worse for the black community than the new deal/great society coalition. that's not to say that the latter is therefore vindicated as the ultimate solution; as your critique reminds us, it turned out that a redistributive economic agenda could not in itself solve the problems of structural racism. i'm not sure that it necessarily furthered them, though i would certainly agree that it could operate in very specific (and often intentional) ways to mask them: e.g. the fig-leaf of (lowest bidder, leftover land, unthought-through) subsidized housing laid over an urban-renewal policy that was fundamentally and primarily about converting inner-city land (occupied disproportionately by racial minorities and the economically lesser-off) into luxury housing, offices, and other things appealing to the white rich. i'm very happy to join in criticizing that (and similar cases). but it doesn't mean that pursuing redistribution inherently makes structural racism worse.

"cuckservative" is the greatest gift

One of those words that tells you so much about the person using it.

I think if I heard that in person my face would contort in ways such that I would discover muscles never before used

It seems like Bernie gets questioned WAY more than other Dem candidates and in particular his focus on economic/class issues. This is because the other candidates are all cozy w the oligarchy and he is not, and they control the media so they want to tie all these economic issues to him and tear him down. Then when he's gone and it's down to the corporate candidates, those ideas of economic equality will have been recently and publicly defeated, and HRC or whoever can cozy up to the right to win the popular.

or maybe it's this: https://www.facebook.com/dominiquehazzard/posts/2778524262066

Yeah, I dig that (DJP's link). Especially since, for me, Sanders's candidacy isn't about winning, but about introducing and re-introducing ideas into the national-television, Facebook-share conversation that politicians may assume they can't talk about, and demonstrating that you actually can mobilize huge constituencies by talking about them. So the impact could be not only to make a thoughtful but not-really-with-it person like Sanders realize he would sincerely like to get with it, but also to open up the field of things Congressional candidates might campaign on next year, mayoral candidates, etc. So by all means, work to convince the self-styled broad-base social-justice progressive candidate that he can't wear that mantle if he's not talking about racist violence and policies that work towards justice.

yup that post otm

i'm expecting they'll give hilary the same treatment, but yeah

They should give all the candidates hell about it imo this is a national crisis.

very otm xxxxp

Charles Pierce:

I am caught between two old quotes from my reading as I attempt to understand why the #blacklivesmatter people insist on stalking Bernie Sanders around the campaign trail for the purpose of making spectacles of themselves at public events. (This presumes, for the moment, that the whole thing isn't an elaborate Segrettism cooked up in someone's oppo lab.) The first is from the late Adam Clayton Powell, who cautioned us to "beware of Greeks bearing gifts and white men who understand the Negro." Thus did Congressman Powell invent the concept of "whitesplaining" decades before it became popular. The other one came from an interview I did long ago with a former Black Panther who managed to survive the FBI's bloody oppression of that organization. We were talking about demonstrations. "We used to have a saying," he said. "Spontaneity is the art of fools."

What happened in Seattle was an embarrassment to the tradition of public protest. It was a hysterical piece of performance art that accomplished absolutely nothing toward whatever goals its performers sought to achieve. Rage is not an excuse. Frustration is not an excuse. This was a simple act of public vandalism, aimed (again) at the wrong target. I have been to a bunch of rallies already in this godforsaken campaign. If the two principals here had tried this at any Republican rally; if they had tried it at any rally for any candidate of the party that largely has supported the militarized state of American policing, that more than any other political institution has worked to create the climate of The Other by which Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are thugs while the people who killed them are blameless victims; if they had tried this at a Republican rally, they'd have been hauled off in handcuffs within five minutes, if they were allowed into the hall at all.

i hate to sound like johnny-chime-in-lately but yeah it seemed like a plausible explanation to me that BLM is targeting sanders because he's the only one likely to be moved by it. hillary lives in an armored tank of PR and the other two dems don't seem to have much traction anyway

oh god

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

he really is a perfect blowhard. pure issue-free mouthiness.

oh my god

lmao

i'm expecting they'll give hilary the same treatment, but yeah

Would make sense strategically, if only to counter the perception that the reluctance to do so is down to them both sharing the same key financial backer.

would have preferred to have that surface a bit later in the game, but OK, let's do it xp

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Many such cases!

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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/08/chaos-gop-10000-call-foxs-megyn-kelly-banned-debates.html

You can't make this shit up.

goodness knows, jennifer!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/08/10/how-we-got-to-trumpism/

There is a segment of the American public — goodness knows if they are Republicans, ideological conservatives or even registered voters — that revels in raucous rhetoric, anti-government conspiracies and just plain nastiness in the name of anti-establishment politics [...] They are populists on steroids for whom “conservatism” amounts to a reactionary strain of political entertainment. Their ideas — which include protectionism, opposition to free trade, defiance of the courts, isolationism and a return to pre-New Deal America — bear little resemblance to the modern conservative movement of Russell Kirk and Ronald Reagan. It is dark, pessimistic, angry and radical.

i reserve the right to still find megyn kelly a horrible person before it was cool
but yeah lol at all the chickens coming home to roost on the conservative trumpwagon

It's kinda fun to watch as a golem, formed from all of the worst positions and tendencies the Repubs have rallied around, tears its own party to shreds.

lol yeah i was thinking about how she was their hero for so long and now THEY HAVE TURNED
(of course for actually asking a legit question)
trumpwagon will die someday

I didn't watch the whole debate but when she asked Trump "when did you become a Republican?" I lost most of his answer to whooping laughter

"Especially since, for me, Sanders's candidacy isn't about winning,"

"He is vulnerable to our demands. As someone who will be debating Hillary Clinton and can push her on positions, he can give us something. Folks are taking advantage of that. I call that strategic."

Right, no question it's strategic. Here's hoping Sanders is equally strategic,

because the thousands showing up are not supporting him in order to "move Hillary Clinton to the left," which is like fucking unicornville as a goal, once she is the nominee, and doing her best to out-hawk and out-crime-fight the Republicans.

I just now noticed that Trump's vaccine tweet is from March 2014

On second thought it doesn't even qualify as "strategic," except in the shortest term.

A Q. for the choir: You really think Hillary Clinton doesn't already figure your vote is in the bag, once it matters (i.e. if she wins the nom)?

You really think that she will pay more than lip service to your demands, when you've already signaled that you are gonna vote for her no matter what?

God, put on a show at least that she will have to earn your vote.

isn't there a fire nearby that you can die in, you useless shitheel

Score one for me.

Actual arguments more than welcome, DJP. You're awfully touchy about mere internet discussion that attracts the eyes of maybe 100 people.

you could disprove my argument that you're an idiotic garbage person by not being one

why on earth would I argue with you, you total waste of space

there's some political science out there that suggests that candidates, maybe against common wisdom, do try to carry out the policy promises on which they campaigned

which is why hillary's rhetorical embrace of BLM might matter more than sanders' rough relationship with same, since in all likelihood she's going to be president

I was wrong, unicornville might be too cynical for you.