a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

like 2004 all over again

Wasn't there an international thing w the Bush re-election where certain countries dropped a lot of barriers to US immigrants who opposed the war? Hope that comes back if there is a 3rd Bush presidency.

I doubt that was significant... altho I am bummed that basically no one wants us (whenever I have idly indulged my fantasy of moving somewhere else like, say, New Zealand)

Has anyone ever done an analysis of how many people actually carried through on their threats and left the country following W's re-election in 2004?

what about all the racists who were gonna leave when O was elected

(didn't Nugent say that at one point?)

I wouldn't really have a problem leaving the US tbh, it's leaving California that would be harder. (I'm all for us seceding btw, you guys can grow your own food and make your own movies/tv shows)

you better leave before the earthquake secedes you

"Biden values"?

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^A

if it comes down to JEB! and Hillary then we are back to having two morons who supported that war

I prefer "evil fucks" to "morons" in this case. Biden seems to have paid no political price for the authorization vote, and i don't think it was decisive in Clinton's loss to Obama. Even Bubba said 'Murricans prefer leaders to be "strong and wrong" in most circumstances.

biden's as far as i know the only person that seems to have learned anything from iraq, to have acknowledge that iraq was a mistake and there we shouldn't repeat that mistake (eg in syria or iran or o yeah iraq). a lot of bernie support (which is still pretty tiny fwiw) is 'anybody but clinton' and some of that might go to biden. at the same time he would also obv pull support from clinton as well. hillary would still be the heavy favorite but another candidate of any strength would only make it more difficult for her so unless you're one of those ppl that think hardfought primary campaigns are better than coronations biden entering the race would be a net negative for her. biden was doing so much groundwork laying for this going back to obama's first term that i was surprised he hadn't made any serious noise the past year and a half or so, figured either he got pushback behind the scenes or the numbers he was seeing weren't great.

i've read a dozen things explaining or speculating on the present and future impact of trump on the gop race and honestly i don't think anybody knows anything. the times had that big piece today that the bush team actually viewed trump as a huge benefit to them as it sequestered the anti-bush sentiment into one figure that won't actually win while scaring the establishment enough that they rally around bush immediately instead of flirting w/ walker or rubio (the metaphor they used was that trump was a fire and bush was a fire blanket. poetry.) there was some plausible logic in the piece but i kinda agree w/ trump's tweet that the times fell for a CONJOB. i've seen several pieces showing that if/when trump drops out his voters (today at least) tend to be distributed among the rest of the field w/ bush getting the biggest bump but not something out of line w/ his current level of support ie the margins stay about the same. this seems possible i guess, a lot of trump's support is name recognition based and a lot of supporters aren't even basing their support on stances so much as enjoying his refreshing candor or whatever, similar to the initial support perot got in june 92. at the same time i think of how perry crippled romney's general election chances in the debates and i can see a similar thing playing out w/ trump and bush. the closest thing trump has to a signature issue is immigration and jeb can either tack right to prevent trump outflanking him or he can actually hold firm w/ his relatively moderate stance (which is what i guess he'll do) and piss off a lot of the base that already regards him as the type of rino cuckservative they're trying to take the party back from. neither option is great and it would've been much better for jeb if there wasn't a major candidate beating him up over this, if the anti-immigrant candidate was someone he could just ignore like tom tancredo. i guess trump does benefit jeb in that he's sucked all the oxygen out of the room and no other candidate has been able to build any traction or momentum. rand paul had some pissy comment about how if the news channels were wall to wall coverage of him from 8 am to 8 pm he'd be leading the pack too. blame the invisible hand rand! the market has spoken!

biden's as far as i know the only person that seems to have learned anything from iraq, to have acknowledge that iraq was a mistake and there we shouldn't repeat that mistake

this is true afaict

Could we not have the word 'cuckservative' appear again on this thread? That would be neat.

neither option is great and it would've been much better for jeb if there wasn't a major candidate beating him up over this,

cuckservative is such a wonderfully horrible term, really manages to unwittingly encapsulate the ugly little demons the gop has unleashed turning on their maker

is that pronounced kookservative

never heard of it before - what are the origins?

Cuckoo?

the times had that big piece today that the bush team actually viewed trump as a huge benefit to them as it sequestered the anti-bush sentiment into one figure that won't actually win while scaring the establishment enough that they rally around bush immediately instead of flirting w/ walker or rubio (the metaphor they used was that trump was a fire and bush was a fire blanket. poetry.) there was some plausible logic in the piece but i kinda agree w/ trump's tweet that the times fell for a CONJOB.

yeah agreed. all trump's candidacy does is delay the moment when the race crystallizes into a limited number of clear alternatives: maybe two guys trying to be the "moderate, electable" person (jeb! and i guess, rubio???), one hard-line john birch psycho trying to pass themselves off as electable (presumably walker but i wouldn't be surprised if he's so terrible in the debates that his support evaporates and rand paul actually sticks around), and a more religiously-flavored tea party wackadoo with a grab-bag of fringe policy positions (huckabee, cruz, etc.). i would guess almost all of trump's support goes to those latter characters, all of whom are less predictable since their motivations for staying in the race may not have to do with "winning." like at some point this is going to be the equivalent of romney versus the equivalent of santorum.

honestly if trump bails later rather than sooner it's probably bad news for jeb!. trump sucking up the air will just kill off the bottom-tier candidates who never had a chance anyway, and then when he finally does bow out or implode, there'll only be one or two medium-size right-wingers ready to embrace the donald's hordes. whoever can do that most effectively (i'll go out on limb and say this might be the huckster, self-proclaimed politics expert) will bounce straight to santorum 2012 status, i.e. actually winning primaries, posing a delegate challenge, and (assuming the jeb! candidate wins the nom) suppressing turnout in the general election by reminding the right of all the reasons they don't feel like voting for another one of these mealy-mouthed speaker-at-the-executives-convention types.

it really is a horrible term that among other things implies that the cuckservative in question is a race traitor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/29/cuckservative-the-conservative-insult-of-the-month-explained/

http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/29/cuckservative-is-a-racist-slur-and-an-attack-on-evangelical-christians/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/28/cuckservative-is-a-gloriously-effective-insult-that-should-not-be-slurred-demonised-or-ridiculed/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-fans-target-mike-cuckabee-for-being-a-cuckservative/

gross. never heard of that "insult" before

Why did I click on Breitbart? Why?

boy, milo y really knows how to lie

I’m slightly embarrassed by my fellow conservatives’ inability to understand a term that returned to popular use not on white power websites, but on 4chan.

https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/628226575796957184/photo/1

I like this term, it wraps up fears about the loss of patriarchal hegemony and miscegenation as a conservative concept. Both are gross ideas.

xpost that deserves to be posted here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLfou_zWoAApxBY.jpg

lol that guy is a hero

like come on guys, conservatism is about being afraid ppl who aren't white might make a living wage or grasp some political power! also they are taking our womens.

Xp ha burnt

I think Biden entering hurts Bernie. Can only imagine that it would create a personality race distraction from the fact that there might actually be significant policy differences in the choice between Sanders and HRC.

what have ppl forgotten from Biden's other two prez runs: plagiarism, <1% in Iowa, or "clean and articulate"?

(yes i know he has more 'name recognition' now)

Who cares about the plagiarism? It's more pathetic that Biden's writers chose Neil Kinnock as source material.

plagiarism thing was such an odd, pre-digital "scandal", in retrospect it's odd that it ruined his candidacy

btw here's where I plug Richard Ben Cramer's What it Takes.

the question is: who cares about Joe Biden?

Who cares about the plagiarism? It's more pathetic that Biden's writers chose Neil Kinnock as source material.

say what you like, but I don't remember Biden ever appearing on a picture disc with Tracey Ullman

http://www.simplyeighties.com/resources/Tracey%20Ullman%20Neil%20Kinnock.jpg.opt350x354o0,0s350x354.jpg

"cuckservative" is fucking horrible
they should switch that shit to Kochservative; more honest

the question is: who cares about Joe Biden?

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, August 3, 2015 8:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you seem real mad about him

This is great. Not doing their poll so Fox can't use their poll numbers:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/08/marist-suspends-gop-polling-ahead-of-fox-debate-211675.html

“It’s a bad use of public polls,” Miringoff said. “It asks public polls to have a precision that ignores the margin of error. There’s a big distinction made where there’s no statistical difference.”

The first BCS Bowl will be January 3, hosted by Fox Sports. The prime-time matchup will feature the college teams who made it into the top 10 based on the average of five recent national polls.

One, who flies around in a jet with his name emblazoned on the side, invited Wyss-Coray to an Oscars after-party this year.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/04/can-we-reverse-ageing-process-young-blood-older-people?CMP=twt_gu

omg which candidate wants to inject the blood of the young to stay vital

via a Greenwald retweet:

Chuck Todd on Trump:
"It's not fair to what is the strongest Republican party presidential field in 36 years."

i don't dwell on chuck todd too much, but last night i dreamed that i was telling him off for sucking so bad and he was asking me to give specific examples of when he's been bad and i was having trouble coming up with one.

he is completely insane, though

i totally failed to post this, but for completeness sake

http://nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/trump-757-lga-n757af-620.jpg

trump force one, ppl

haha never forget.

http://i.imgur.com/7SPxANT.jpg

"It's not fair to what is the strongest Republican party presidential field in 36 years."

"o" in strongest should maybe be an "a"?

ok, kid

https://twitter.com/LukeRussert/status/628356683786403840

first response hall of fame

http://i.imgur.com/e5WuWni.jpg

finally, a man who understands that what the public wants are doozies

he's a wonderful journalist and super smart