hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

one writer hating another is not a civilizational crisis

even granting the characterization that he "hates" her or slimed her or w/e

the cancer photo thing was a reach

this was the photo

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZzJsBReh--/18k22i5kuvhl3jpg.jpg

http://www.salon.com/writer/mary_elizabeth_williams/

nolan's thesis is that MEW is a conveyer belt of softly right-on liberal media fake-controversy explainer pointlessness and this scroll of headlines is not dissuading me of his position

agreed. writers have been sniping at each other forever, sometimes just in conversation or personal letters, sometimes in print. doesn't change that Nolan's head is deeply inserted.

Williams is every bit as awful a writer as Nolan's four articles, from four years ago, make her out to be. And the fact that she decided now, at a time when people are maximally ready to think the worst of Gawker, to pop up and say, "They were mean to me, too, once! Look how evil they are! I had cancer!" is...well, it's exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from her, and Salon, which is probably the worst it's ever been right now.

For Mary Elizabeth Williams, a critique of a bad piece of writing is an ominous and outrageous act that produces a “chilling effect.” On this, I guess I would agree with her—anyone who writes something arguing that a bad writer wrote a bad thing is probably holding out hope that as a result there might be less bad writing in the future. It rarely works, but there’s nothing wrong with being optimistic.

one writer hating another is not a civilizational crisis

― goole, Thursday, July 23, 2015

We weren't alive when Mailer, Sontag, Rahv et al published nasty letters in the NYROB.

i am hella glad the internet wasn't around when i was young but my god, to have had norman mailer in full flower online would've been a thing

or baldwin!

yeah but now you're de facto asking me to imagine the u.s. civil rights movement with the modern internet

hang on for a sec my brain snapped in half

#selma

#blacklivesmatter

...ongoing...

#arewereallygonnadothisshitonthisthread

what shit

lag00n you can't literally ask people how to troll them you have to figure it out for yourself

youre right i need to focus here

stop posting

omg rude (the old chaki we all know and love)

#thiscouldbeusbutyouplayin

Williams is every bit as awful a writer as Nolan's four articles, from four years ago, make her out to be.

Bad writing is everywhere. Journalistic writing is almost uniformly bad. This is not news.

As I see it, piling on 4 articles in order to call one writer's writing bad is just pointlessly abusive. If Nolan couldn't do an adequate job of saving the world from the misguided notion that Mary Elizabeth Warren is a fantastically talented writer we all ought to read and praise (btw, I must have missed that memo), then he isn't going to do any better on his second, third or fourth tries. Most likely, her readers won't care what he thinks, and his readers were not reading MEW with fawning admiration.

yeah kinda feel like that sort of prolonged assault is best when taking on the truly powerful and awful like david brooks or w/e, write a column every day abt how terrible he is the more the better

on the other hand maybe she is just his nemesis

one writer hating another is not a civilizational crisis

― goole, Thursday, July 23, 2015

We weren't alive when Mailer, Sontag, Rahv et al published nasty letters in the NYROB.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A late example from 1998. Mailer:

At certain points, reading the work can even be said to resemble the act of making love to a three-hundred-pound woman. Once she gets on top, it’s over. Fall in love, or be asphyxiated. So you read and you grab and you even find delight in some of these mounds of material. Yet all the while you resist—how you resist!—letting three hundred pounds take you over.

yeah kinda feel like that sort of prolonged assault is best when taking on the truly powerful and awful like david brooks or w/e, write a column every day abt how terrible he is the more the better

― lag∞n, Thursday, July 23, 2015

tbd this sounds like a worthy project. can't personally read that much brooks without clawing my own eyes out due to existential horror obv but i will *contribute furiously* to the kickstarter.

As I see it, piling on 4 articles in order to call one writer's writing bad is just pointlessly abusive...

― Aimless, Thursday, July 23, 2015

Would have agreed with you on July 21, 2015 but now i'm conflicted.

one writer hating another is not a civilizational crisis

― goole, Thursday, July 23, 2015

We weren't alive when Mailer, Sontag, Rahv et al published nasty letters in the NYROB.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A late example from 1998. Mailer:

At certain points, reading the work can even be said to resemble the act of making love to a three-hundred-pound woman. Once she gets on top, it’s over. Fall in love, or be asphyxiated. So you read and you grab and you even find delight in some of these mounds of material. Yet all the while you resist—how you resist!—letting three hundred pounds take you over.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:01 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Internet woulda loved this one

so thankful i live in a world where i never have to think abt norman mailer if i dont want to

k3v otm

norman mailer, william buckley, gore vidal on twitter

http://www.newsweek.com/we-need-some-limits-qa-gawker-founder-nick-denton-356422

Vidal would have slayed on Twitter.

Buckley would have struggled to fit "panjandrum" and "Rodomontade" in 150 characters

[Note: At this point, Denton abruptly ended the interview but offered to answer additional questions via email. We've sent over questions and will update if we hear back.]

can't imagine WB Jr. or Vidal doing this

HamNo is never going to meet the standard of "every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8m9vDRe8fw

Mailer: People who read the NYROB know all about it.

lol the zings in that video

hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you? (Started by a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten) in February 2015, last updated 33 minutes ago by drash on I Love Everything) 1000 new answers

cluterfuck status unlocked

http://static6.depositphotos.com/1053932/549/i/950/depositphotos_5497450-Blowing-noisemaker-suit-party-funny-young-man.jpg

yay?

http://www.niemanlab.org/images/nick-denton-cake-cc.jpg

lol like an orthodox christian icon almost, which until recently is how the average gawkerperson seemed to view dentonman and all his priorities

even money its comprised of porn

Flanner: "You act as if you were in private.... that's the odd way. You act as if you're the only people here. They're here. He's here. I'm here and I'm becoming very very bored. *blows a kiss*"
^this here is what's up; wish there were more people fighting on television who aren't on news programs

Hamilton Nolan's boxing writing is as embarrassing as your typical Salon article btw. Deadspin needs to work on the niche sports writing. Really they need to work on everything over there.

I'll always like Norman Mailer because of that horrible thing he did to Ryan O'Neal