TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - Season Two

like i threw up in my heart when i heard that

and I said "looooooooosing love
is like blue balls in your heart"

"You hang around with pimps....you get pimpish results"

blue balls terrible, sublunar acceptably milchisch

Pizzolatto needs to try reading his dialogue aloud before handing it to the cast

or maybe he does and that's actually the way he talks so it sounds fine to him

pizz has replaced the surreality of the supernatural elements of s1 with ppl not speaking like human beings. it certainly creates an effective sense of dislocation.

The pièce de résistance, of course, is Frank's grand declaration of frustration to Ray. "The enemy won't reveal itself, Raymond," he says, like a summer-stock Pacino in Godfather III. "Stymies my retribution. It's like, uh, blue balls in your heart." Blue balls in your heart, people. Blue. Balls. In. Your. Heart. Look, a simile makes connections in order to uncover meaning, not overwhelm it; "blue balls in your heart" does nothing to explain the unique rage of delayed revenge except bury it under a mountain of "Wait…what the hell did he just say?" It's enough to give you, uh, jock itch in your brain.

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"You hang around with pimps....you get pimpish results"

― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, July 20, 2015 11:15 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i love the mayor and his defense of power naps

vaughn and the mayor should have switched roles, maybe. or just have that guy playing every role, maybe. he's incredible.

need to watch this ep again. i liked it. NP is either really weird or attempting some consciously stylized dialogue of a type i dont think ive ever seen before. (maybe both)

there was some real strong stuff here imo. farrell wordlessly communicating an entire mental breakdown was impressive.

imo the blue balls line was much more fitting vaughn's character than that 'louche' nonsense or frankly (heh) half the dialogue he's tried to carry off this season. hed be better off trying to hold up terrible similes than being the deep introspective guy this season

ryan have you seen deadwood Y/N?

N but that's obviously something i need to rectify.

oh man it is so good

yeah deadwood's your precedent for the stylized dialogue but it really really works. last few episodes of the first season legit shakespearean iirc.

or, yknow, nypd blue

which is still out of nicky pizza's range apparently

I found a lot of deadwood dialogue to be really hamfisted and silly, very "LOOK! I AM SWEARING IN THE OLD WEST!" but I gave up on that show somewhere toward the end of s1

or, yknow, nypd blue

― j., Monday, July 20, 2015

deadwood's on a different level but "we gotta initiate preemptive stink" is immortal

im sure Deadwood is a much better show, but part of what im talking about is the way the dialogue constantly holds you up...i want to find a word similar to "anachronism" for stuff like the blue balls line or when vaughn starts talking about warp drives. all of the sudden the language becomes not this thing that flows over you prettily but something you have to sorta deal with. it's rare to watch a TV that so insists on you noticing its use of language.

obviously this could just be plain old *bad writing* (i can't always tell the difference too well tbh) but i have to admit a lot of those lines stick in my head, though the batting average is far from being what you'd want.

s1 was his first big break, right?

it seems the discipline of a network show really would have made a difference, if not here then in longer-term improvement over his control over voice, etc.

farrell wordlessly communicating an entire mental breakdown was impressive.

― ryan, Monday, July 20, 2015 12:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea this was good, im sure it must be .gif'd by now

that was such a great moment, and capping it with that great wide shot of him silhouetted against the smog cityscape

honestly i liked this ep a lot! but that doesnt nec. forgive the clunkers

^^ exactly

sometimes the hyper-stylized dialogue works, but more often it draws attention to itself and makes me think "No way that character would say those words" ... I agree it's intentional, but I'm baffled by what the intention might be

otherwise I like the writing fine -- interesting characters and settings, good scenes, energetic pacing, reasonably coherent and intriguing development of the mystery -- which makes the deliberately wooden/abstract dialogue seem even stranger

complaints aside, I'm sort of enjoying this season more than the previous, better season ... maybe the standard-issue cop show / Ellroy elements are a little more in my comfort zone, or I'm appreciating the elevated levels of ridiculousness

yeah I mean if this was a novel I'd probably enjoy it more tbh

Does anyone think it’s weird Vince Vaughn has a son named Vernon, the name of Cali town on which Vinci City is based?

i came, i saw, i acted to the best of my ability with this goddam script

this episode put me to sleep about 1/2 way through, did I miss anything?

kinda

that thing you suspected about the other thing... yeah, you were right.

it changes everything

this episode put me to sleep about 1/2 way through, did I miss anything?

― akm, Monday, July 20, 2015 3:20 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i fell asleep watching it too, started reading the thread and was all what the heck then remember falling asleep and finished it

s1 was his first big break, right?

it seems the discipline of a network show really would have made a difference, if not here then in longer-term improvement over his control over voice, etc.

― j., Monday, July 20, 2015 5:37 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

He worked on S1 of The Killing and and had some involvement with Magic City also (think he might have left that suddenly when he sold TD)

Third person to fall asleep halfway thru last night's ep

the killing, is that an argument in favor of his seasoned skill or no

I've never seen it, but he co-wrote the first season finale that everyone went mental over

so idk

i really don't think ppl can blame nic pizza for the catastrophic garbage-fire failure of the killing given how frequently that was attributed to that show's creator (er, developer)

in retrospect was a not-terrible cliffhanger compared to how bad the final result ended up being

turd detective

someone could make a really good 120-160 minute movie-cut of this season when it's over.

Just the Caspar dude's death and then the Mexican shootout 45 minutes in and then Northern California at 60 minutes and then jump to the final confrontation, of what we have left, and ride that out.

Good movie. No backstories, Paul, bad VV dialogue and subplots. Vague allusions to all those things only.

sometimes reading a thread about a show you're not watching is like being a king, beaming as your foodtasters colorfully debate whether they're being poisoned or not. this is one of those times.

my only hope is that this ends with everyone either wildly enthusiastic or loudly nauseated. it's only sad when these things end quietly, without fanfare.

ladies & gentlemens, we have Guerneville

(been looking forward to it tbh, hopefully shit gets real weird)

vince vaughan has such an unnuanced frown
like just such a one dimensional glower
he's like the opposite of montgomery clift

sometimes reading a thread about a show you're not watching is like being a king, beaming as your foodtasters colorfully debate whether they're being poisoned or not.

lol

wait croup u gave up on this too? I was feelin weird still reading this thread myself

redhead giving me young mary steenbergen on a fuckload of booze & xanax

VERY powerful scene between taylor kitsch & his mom

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lol

dramatically this whole thing has such a community-theatre-prohibition-era-musical vibe, like dastardly mobsters in bright costumes, heavy lidded dames, unbearably wooden tough talk &c