hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

i've been in the camp of "I only read gawker for the thoughtful longform pieces" for a while, but if this backlash sticks it might become harder for gawker to retain any of that credibility with either writers or audience

― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, July 17, 2015 11:17 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm guessing more writers will think twice about pitching to gawker if they don't do some serious damage control xp

― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, July 17, 2015 11:20 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i hope max and jord are enjoying their intensive media coaching and legal meetings today, maybe they'll get a nice box lunch or something

― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, July 17, 2015 11:31 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or this will blow over in a week like literally everything else that's ever happened on the internet idk

yeah that's well put some dude. I think that's a bit of why I'm so mad is I look up to max, he has on more than one occasion held my feet to the fire when I was up on some bullshit so it's hard to see what looks from here like "wow, dude is now bullshit"

if I were max or J0rdan my reasoning for posting in this thread today would be:

"Now that I've shown I will proudly publish on a hugely trafficked website anything salacious and semi-verified about Person X that is handed to me by a mentally disturbed person who admits to be trying to blackmail X, even if X is no honest person's idea of a powerful (much less public) person - HERE's why you should still interact with me on this message board. Don't feel weird about posting on "dating problems" or "I hate my coworkers" or ILX Gays TMI" either. I'm sure taking advantage of access to your private (lol, you sap) musings on those subjects is beneath even us. It's hard to envision us later straining to come up with reasoh why your "fucking around on" a partner is newsworthy enough to repurpose it as content."

or this will blow over in a week like literally everything else that's ever happened on the internet idk

Yeah *hulkhogan* nothing to see here *hulkhogan*

That Jezebel 15-year-old does seem to think she's doing something punk rock

― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, July 17, 2015 8:00 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unless she is literally 15 years old, you are a misogynist

― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Friday, July 17, 2015 3:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not everyone has to feel good about the truth. If it's true, you hit "Submit Post."

eh the gawker bros have already given enough justifications for why they do shit like this, ranging from weaselly "ethos" stuff to what basically amounts to "the game is the game *shrug*"again, don't see why they would bother repeating all the same stuff xps

(Actually, I genuinely do apologize to 15-year-olds everywhere for using them as a shorthand for jejune takes) x-post

yeah, the fact that they're not aggressively defending the piece here or on twitter makes me think there's a lot of scrambling around behind the scenes right now. but i guess when you point a humiliation laser at people every day, eventually you're gonna shoot yourself. that's not even karma, that's just an inevitability.

they've always been 2 of my fav people here and i've always rooted for them and hoped they'd change gawker more than it would change them, so this is difficult to watch tbh.

― some dude, Friday, July 17, 2015 3:42 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually max has doubled down on defending this piece on twitter under the guise of "this man was fucking around on his wife tho!" as if he's holding the sanctity of hetero-normative marriage sacred which is even more gross and homophobic.

The whole thing could just as easily (and really should've been) a blind item piece, if it had to be a piece at all. I just don't understand the impetus of dragging the subject of the story through the mud like this. He's not selling black market organs or whatever. He's a publishing exec who doesn't even play in editorial.

it's true that the lasting impact has yet to be seen but i'm just speaking to my own response to the article, whiney. this has seriously damaged my own opinion of gawker as an outlet and i can't imagine i'm alone.

Seconded.

chaki would you give that angle a rest thanks

yeah i saw that, i meant that after some initial tweets yesterday he'd gone uncharacteristically silent (xp)

chaki would you give that angle a rest thanks

no fuck you.

like idgaf about hulk hogan but recklessly outing ppl is gonna hit closer to home for way more people xp

HERE's why you should still interact with me on this message board. Don't feel weird

it is true that you should not personally trust journalists in general, especially when you only 'know' their information-gathering asses via your public posts on an interweb message board

their interests are opposed to yours

like stop trying to silence how gross this all is from that VERY REAL perspective. sorry this isnt all poshboy inside jokes. take that shit to the londontown laugh factory imo. and since it hasn't been posted yet, check out jordan's "source" on this story.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKF7KmXVAAQI6c7.png:large

I hope my ILTMI booty-eating confession doesn't come back to haunt me.

this is so sordid it's not even fun to rail against.

Also there are people on this board more famous than Mr. Geithner. I see no reason why they should feel safe posting personal stuff on here or even 77, just saying

i'm with chaki here tbh, how do you present yourself as a progressive media outlet one minute and tar & feather people with conservative morality the next? it's pretty twisted

It's a pretty solid angle! The grossness here is not confined to "This is media inside baseball".

xxp ironically the Londontown laugh factory is pretty gritty.

i'm with chaki here tbh, how do you present yourself as a progressive media outlet one minute and tar & feather people with conservative morality the next? it's pretty twisted

― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, July 17, 2015 12:12 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the outing/adultery police stuff is gross, everyone itt (except...whiney) agrees with that. chaki seemed to be (repeatedly) pushing a very narrow sort of outrage on behalf of people in open marriages that i have a hard time believing represents that communities views on the matter

community's

not hard to believe that a rich power player has an understanding w/ his spouse where he gets everything he wants i dunno but on the other hand common sense seems to say you don't really know shit about other people's marriages so

he outing/adultery police stuff is gross, everyone itt (except...whiney) agrees with that. chaki seemed to be (repeatedly) pushing a very narrow sort of outrage on behalf of people in open marriages that i have a hard time believing represents that communities views on the matter

i absolutely am not. this has nothing to do with people in open marriage. i am upset at this outward homophobia and max in particular thinking this is cool, him being a straight white guy in a position of power. you are being so weird and obtuse about this.

Chaki otm

exactly, this guy wasn't a public official or celebrity standing up for any sort of sexual morality so maybe don't drag him through the mud for perceived transgressions

xp Chaki is not pushing "this guy has an open marriage", he's repeatedly pointing out that We Don't Know, we only know that this is some "gay men - threat or menace?" bullshit.

he outing/adultery police stuff is gross, everyone itt (except...whiney) agrees with that. chaki seemed to be (repeatedly) pushing a very narrow sort of outrage on behalf of people in open marriages that i have a hard time believing represents that communities views on the matter

i absolutely am not. this has nothing to do with people in open marriage. i am upset at this outward homophobia and max in particular thinking this is cool, him being a straight white guy in a position of power. you are being so weird and obtuse about this.

― Cory Sklar, Friday, July 17, 2015 12:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok it seems like we're on the same page, must have misunderstood you

Also there are people on this board more famous than Mr. Geithner. I see no reason why they should feel safe posting personal stuff on here or even 77, just saying

Had pretty much this exact thought this morning.

the outing/adultery police stuff is gross, everyone itt (except...whiney) agrees with that.

nah, i agree w/ that too

Most people probably couldn't tell you who Tim Geithner is, much less David. This is basically on the same level as picking out a name at random from a phone book and airing all his dirty laundry.

picking out a name from the conde nast directory, surely

i agree that the sanctity of marriage/caring about the wives defense is gross. esp as a defense of an article that mentions his wife ONCE

i apologize for calling you weird kevin k and im virtually shaking your hand

Yeah, "most people" maybe. But for people who actually read the news he was one of the higher-profile figures in the economic meltdown. Like, people do listen to NPR and shit.

Most people probably couldn't tell you who Tim Geithner is, much less David. This is basically on the same level as picking out a name at random from a phone book and airing all his dirty laundry.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, July 17, 2015 12:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe that's the next frontier of new media

curious how other queer ppl at gawker are taking this

Also there are people on this board more famous than Mr. Geithner. I see no reason why they should feel safe posting personal stuff on here or even 77, just saying

― Treeship, Friday, July 17, 2015 5:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean... they absolutely shouldn't

not just cause of amoral hacks, there are all sorts of scumbags around & a few not-at-all-famous posters have had problems related to this in the past

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/17/max-reads-justification-gawkers-incomparably-vile-article/

boxall, treeship, wins otm

I have my own antagonistic feelings about Greenwald, but he's 100% otm here.

totes

i wonder if ppl are combing ilx archives looking for something on either jord or max

I luxuriated in the thread where Chaki busts out the 'milquetoast kiss ass' slur. It's on The Church; happy reading everyone!

Part of me feels bad for J0rdan. He's always "pushed it" even by gawker's standards and clearly was encouraged to do this, and convinced by gawker's editors that invasions of this kind were a normal thing for journalists to do. Now he's crossed the line and even gawker writers are distancing themselves from the piece.

He's an adult of course and ultimately has pursued this life and is responsible for what he's published, but still.

Had pretty much this exact thought this morning.

― Something Called Fudge (Old Lunch), Friday, July 17, 2015 4:25 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ditto

im sorry if im irrational or coming off self righteous itt. it's upsetting and a reality shock that... people i've interacted with for years even on a tiny scale, that post on ilx, can pull this kind of stuff and my stomach is turning and my heart physically hurts and the world is shit.

jordan will be fine