2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

haha, crazy grandma ferrarro won't shut up and is just going to sit around, smelling up the clinton campaign

If she was an old New York Italian mobbed-up grandpa, no media.

Obama Camp Memo on Clinton’s “Big State” Argument

From the Obama campaign:

FR: Iowa Governor Chet Culver, Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle, Washington Governor Christine Gregoire, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill

DT: Wednesday, March 12, 2008

RE: Debunking the Clinton Campaign’s Dubious “Big State” Spin

In an attempt to minimize the significance of Barack Obama’s success in winning more than twice as many states as Senator Clinton, her campaign’s supporters have attempted to diminish the importance of the states where Senator Obama has prevailed.

Senator Obama has scored important victories in each of our states – states that will play a decisive role in deciding whether or not John McCain will be given the chance to enter the White House and extend George Bush’s failed policies for another 4 years.

In each of the 30 primaries and caucuses that Obama has now won, including Mississippi yesterday, he’s shown the ability to motivate Democrats to turn out at the polls, win the support of blue collar voters in suburban and rural communities and attract the support of Independents and Republicans. That’s the kind of candidate Democrats need to nominate to beat John McCain in November, and it’s the kind of leader America needs to bring to Washington the kind of change we can believe in.

The Clinton campaign’s argument ignores relevant facts about how significant a role these states played in determining the outcome of the presidential race in 2004. In fact, Obama has won 7 of 9 of the biggest states that were close in the 2004 presidential election and have already selected delegates to the 2008 Democratic convention.

More than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. It’s also worth noting that polls in four of these five states show that Obama would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.

Obama Winning Vast Majority of Big States that Were Close in 2004

Nine of the largest states that were decided by a margin of 8 points or less in 2004 have already held a caucus or a primary to select delegates to the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver. Obama has won seven of those nine contests – including four that Bush won.

Clinton Totals Padded by States Where Obama Does Best Against McCain

The Clinton campaign’s misleading argument about the importance of her performance in the largest states actually highlights the limits of her appeal and her ability to win the general election.

To turn the Clinton argument around, more than 55% of her popular vote total and nearly half of her pledged delegates have come in just five states. In four of them, polls show that Obama would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton. In the fifth, Texas, Clinton admitted that she didn’t expect it to be “in the general election calculation.”

Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle

this dude rules, and he could not sound more wisconsin if he tried

"Let me also say in 1984 -- and if I have said it once, I have said it 20, 60, 100 times -- in 1984, if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would never have been the nominee for vice president," she said.

SO, YOUR POINT?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BlYw6sOY4O4

I just looked that up deej after your comment, and boy, you ain't kiddin'.

Grandma Geraldine is more attractive now than in 1984 though; back then she looked like she wore a Wendy's cheeseburger on her head.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/ElectoralCollege1984-Large.png/400px-ElectoralCollege1984-Large.png

Shhhh.

hahaha

anyone hear old enough to vote for Mondale? How depressing must that have been.

*haha, "old enough to HAVE voted for Mondale."

That Obama memo is a good rebuttal, but it provokes as many questions as it answers. Why did they choose the top 9 close states to compare? Why not the top 5 or 10? What were the 9 states, and just how big are they? Why did they define "close" as a margin of 8 points or less - again why not some other number? Without some more detail on their methodology, it's easy to suspect they are carefully selecting their sample in order to provide the most favorable comparison for their candidate.

After the caucus, I talked to a guy who said his first presidential vote was for Herbert Hoover. THAT's gotta sting.

I voted for Mr. Mondale. Alfred, you have no idea how depressing that was.

Mondale is the only D or R prez candidate I've ever voted for. I did hold my nose after his big pitch in the last debate was "Of course I wouldn't share SDI technology with the Soviets!" (trying to outhawk RR)

I went to a Mondale rally in the garment district where Ferraro yelled "You don't have to vote for Ronald Reagan just because you like him!" It being NYC, guy yells "We don't like him either!"

it's easy to suspect they are carefully selecting their sample in order to provide the most favorable comparison for their candidate.

you better be right about these explosive allegations

o. nate, don't worry, i'm sure the clinton camp is already cooking up their own special math.

q.v. "lies, damn lies, and statistics"

Ferraro yelled "You don't have to vote for Ronald Reagan just because you like him!" It being NYC, guy yells "We don't like him either!"

l o l o l

i still think obama should push for reelections in fla and mi, he has a lot to lose but at least as much to lose in the GE if he keeps ignoring them. hope he doesn't have me killfiled too, i was just playing before homie.

"my friend, i hear this talk of "the people" coming out of you almost constantly, but then I see you go along with a plan to disenfranchise two whole states in our union."

"my friend," "my friend," "my friend," "my friend," "my friend."

My head hurts already, and it isn't even the GE yet.

i honestly wonder how many "motherfucker"s are slipping into hillary clinton's conversations recently.

i just know sen. mccain is going to be on zing patrol when/if obama emerges from this. He has to be seen as the aggressor from the outset, as a contrast to the "u old" narrative, and not even worry about being perceived as negative to have a chance to win.

I just wanted to post this again because it's awesome:

http://i28.tinypic.com/20hads9.jpg

i see her more spitting "cocksucker" as al swearengen would have done. darken her hair, give her a blue chalkstripe suit and a black moustache and she'd look just like him, too. xpost

then again as he's exposed to more scrutiny, mccain will seem as inspiring as a rotten cauliflower to all but the dimmest.

Ferraro yelled "You don't have to vote for Barack Obama just because you like him!"

xpost Howdy, cowpoke.

Please someone photoshop a Cindy/Meghan hairdo onto head of McCain?

Colbert cast Obama as Cleavon Little as Black Bart the other night

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/tv2/movies/wl508_blazing_saddles_d.jpg

Gene Wilder IS the Biden Kid

he Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama leading Hillary Clinton 47% to 42% in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SDHxaYhqAo

lololololololol

Colbert cast Obama as Cleavon Little as Black Bart the other night

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:48 PM (Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:48 PM) Bookmark Link

I've been preparing myself for "The president is a'near!" jokes since last fall.

'What matters is that the Clinton campaign is convinced that Archie Bunker is voting in Pennsylvania in April 22, and they clearly will not struggle hard to repudiate any idea -- no matter how loathesome -- that can squeeze out a few extra voters in that regard.'. Not sure this is true, but it's an interesting view (or maybe it's a view that's by now widely echoed or denounced; I've been a little out-of-the-loop for a few days).

apparently olbermann is supposed to do one of his "special comment" polemics against the clinton campaign tonight -- presumably over ferarro's remarks

I know Tracer won't agree, but I find Shril's "I have no reason to think he's a Muslim" far more vile than GF's ranting.

Ferraro also did a big 'look here sonny don't antagonize me' thing about Obama, reckoning she could 'help' him if he becomes the candidate. UGH.

Let's speculate on Ferraro's chances of becoming HRC's veep nominee.

they're equally vile, c'mon.

xp

haha alfred do you think there's even a 10% chance? cuz that would be interesting

clinton/ferarro 08 theme song?

boogie on reggae woman

don't stand so close to me

Ferraro could debate McCain, it'd be like analyzing On Golden Pond

sucka nigga