why haven't you all hit "Flag Post" on this fool and moved on
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
toadiebs
― goole, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
we can't understand vic's point because we're neoliberals who are paralyzed by our obama worship, duh
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:56 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
speak for yourself
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
just because vp is totally incoherent doesn't mean you're made entirely of kneejerks
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
you're not made entirely
Oh hey, over here (I'm picturing a pile of posters with nothing specific underneath, ooph).
Earlier I asked if anybody would make a specific argument as to why West is wrong about Coates. (I like Coates by the way). Not only couldn't you manage the most basic argument, you righteously explained why it was beneath you to do
Unsurprisingly, "I Refuse To Make A Coherent Argument Because You Suck" is a thing at ILX. Otherwise coherent arguments would need to be made and how do you manage a good pile on that way.
The tragic Outic bits on why the New Republic arguments aren't sexist are just sad. Dude, nobody in the 21st C quoting the "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" deserves the slightest consideration. Do YOU go around quoting that shit? I haven't heard such convincing arguments since that guy in my high school locker room called another guy a "woman". Yeah, man. Men should be men, you know?
Again, I'm absolutely amazed that such an utterly Peee Ceee discussion space as ILX would actually decide at this moment in time to say, hey, in this case it is okay, just cuz they talking about men, to repeat dumbass sexist ideas about women (as somehow particularly prone to irrational behavior around jealousy --- never mind the track record of homicidal jealous males throughout history, hell hath no fury etc.)
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
tl; waste of time; dr
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
feel like you are arguing in bad faith what with the chronic (apparently intentional?) misquoting, inability to read etc. so I'm a let yr completely baseless sexist accusation against the Dyson piece go, since (as others have pointed out) you are simply using it as a shitty misdirection tactic.
as far as why West is wrong about quotes, he makes several assertions which are just flat-out wrong and inaccurate. Coates has criticized Obama, and he has written about the "new militancy" (as West calls it) in Ferguson, Baltimore etc. Do you want me to post links
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
wrong about COATES gah
That I could believe. Would it be too much to ask that somebody explain WHY EXACTLY West is wrong about Coates? Pretty please?
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:10 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:13 PM (18 minutes ago)
ok, what?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
WHY EXACTLY West is wrong about Coates? Pretty please?
Because he criticizes Coates for being silent about things Coates has not actually been silent about
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
I am biting my tongue here fwiw
here I googled something for you
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-the-obama-administration-talks-to-black-america/276015/
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
In which Coates talks about Obama's weaknesses and addresses the situation in Ferguson. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/barack-obama-ferguson-and-the-evidence-of-things-unsaid/383212/
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
Thank you for condescending to share actual stuff --- and it's some convincing stuff too.
(Was that so hard?)
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
West's "critique" basically consists of baldly inaccurate assertions about Coates' writing and the not-so-subtle insinuation that Coates should be more like Cornel West.
it was kinda hard tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link
It was painful because you claim familiarity with Coates, the pictures claim was that Coates is silent on these things, and Coates obviously has written a bunch on them.
I mean I went to google and typed in "Coates ferguson" and hit the jackpot. We weren't leaving out content, the content is evident due to familiarity or for anyone who looks for ten seconds.
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link
― goole, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:09 (36 minutes ago)
thread justified forever
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
― Vic Perry, Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:39 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you weren't willing to find out for yourself. do you even actually care about this?
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link
look i just googled "coates obama" was that so hard?
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
No, you're right - I can find out things elsewhere - so why should anybody bother reading these threads again?
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
TNC has actually criticized obama to his face (the story starts about 10 paragraphs down):
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/ta-nehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:10 (eight years ago) link
ok so can we stop talking about that and just dwell on the majesty of
@tanehisicoatesThere is your half-a-bar @freddiedeboer You've been asking for it for years.
― got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
freddie five years ago
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/04/09/why-tiger-beatdown-has-jokes-on-it-turns-out-some-motherfucker-had-to-ask-me
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/04/11/boners-for-fun-and-profit-the-extent-to-which-you-dont-care-about-boners-revealed
fair to say that tnc let him off easy
― mookieproof, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
― Vic Perry, Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you could have actually done your own homework, you fucking dolt
― wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
lol vic perry u a dumbass bruh
― i'm not a dogg (sleepingbag), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
sorry for posting the west image i just wanted to share a light chuckle i didn't foresee this :(
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link
Look, I have to tell you: your whole enterprise here, the whole long and short of it, appears to be an edifice designed to give you a platform that paws at discourse while denying the possibility of you ever getting called on anything.
★ ★ ★ the internet ★ ★ ★
― j., Friday, 17 July 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
Dont be mean guys
― Οὖτις, Friday, 17 July 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
Freddie is otm there though... but the point of tiger beatdown isn't fostering dialogue with ppl who disagree. Internet writing has other functions
― Treeship, Friday, 17 July 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
he only gets half a bar. that's as cold as it comes.
― got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Friday, 17 July 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
freddie was staking out some early 'not all men'/'all lives matter' territory there. he may not have been exactly wrong, but his priorities were . . . misguided
btw has andrew sullivan weighed in yet?
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 July 2015 02:43 (eight years ago) link
do I have to click on a David Brooks column titled "Listening to Ta-Nehisi Coates While White"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
it's kind of Brooks In Excelsis, really breathtaking stuff
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
ha ha I love that a column titled "Listening to Ta-Nehisi Coates" begins "Dear Ta-Nehisi Coates"
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Friday, 17 July 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
'I read this all like a slap'
let's not be too literary then
― j., Friday, 17 July 2015 14:03 (eight years ago) link
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QtwIwAGoVChMIs7igw7rixgIV1xeSCh3dcwrq&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D55ylhBDysbI&ei=DxypVfP0ENevyATd56nQDg&usg=AFQjCNHxHocaW3V40WZ0uHbzMICXrg_dpA&bvm=bv.98197061,d.aWw
― Οὖτις, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link
uh oops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ylhBDysbI
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2015/07/17/to-the-horde/
― where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Saturday, 18 July 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link
i am not talking about freddie de boer.
regarding the "bodies" refrain in between the world and me, it's because he wants to ground his discussion of racism in violence. that is the central reality of black life the book is concerned with. yes, this is reminiscent of a way the term "body" was used in the humanities academy 15 years ago, but i don't think it's a stylistic tic, nor do i think it's wrongheaded. i think it works.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 18 July 2015 03:21 (eight years ago) link
and maybe i'm being dim or misunderstanding the criticism upthread, but, like, that is just true. the history of anti-black racism in this country is the story of the brutalization of the black body. that seems so obvious and embarrassing to type out that i think i must be missing something.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 18 July 2015 03:25 (eight years ago) link
i just posted that fdb thing because we were talking about him upthread and now he seems like he walked some of his stuff back
― where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:41 (eight years ago) link
horseshoe otm
I wasn't critiquing TNC's use of "bodies" as much as like, "unpacking" it, and looking at the pitfalls of that linguistic habit in the hands of less capable writers. Basically I agree with drash: equating the self with the body, as Coates does, is a metaphysical fiction the same way equating the self with the mind or the soul is. Coates chooses this ontology bc it fits his political worldview. (I think everyone's philosophical positions are determined by concerns outside philosophy.)
Anyway, I filled up a lot of this thread with that line of thinking - sometimes i forget i'm not getting course credit for ilx posts
― Treeship, Saturday, 18 July 2015 12:12 (eight years ago) link
might be able to write to the dean to ask for an independent study exception
― j., Saturday, 18 July 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
almost done with the book. beautifully done.
― where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Sunday, 19 July 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
yeah it is wonderful
― horseshoe, Sunday, 19 July 2015 01:35 (eight years ago) link
just finished.
the way he ends with global warming is a terrible letdown.
but there are some amazingly powerful, lyrical passages right before.
― where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Sunday, 19 July 2015 03:04 (eight years ago) link
whoa - missed that. he ends with global warming? in any case, if found the last couple sentences really powerful - the liquor stores, beauty shops, churches, boarded up houses, and rain coming down in sheets.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 July 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link