privilege as a meme

"They both looked at me like I was that dude Paris and they were the goddesses laying claim to the golden apple that started the Trojan War."

Yeah, a mythic beauty contest, cool comparison.

Even more than that shit nothing in the piece indicates he thought his gf might have something valuable to say on anything ever. She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him

It's not ok to bully and belittle your girlfriend under the guise of "social justice education."

― Treeship, Friday, July 10, 2015 2:40 AM (21 minutes ago)

let alone write a shitty thinkpiece using her as an illustration of everything wrong with "white people" while slyly suggesting in basically every paragraph that none of those things apply to you, the enlightened superior man

yes, treeship otm

& j.d. too

yes

DJP's piece was rly rousing though, ty - ofc in the uk the racial issue is very slightly complicated by high proportion of indian subcontinent minorities & history of anti-indian anti-pakistani sentiment but despite a national aspiration towards racial blindness the principles probably aren't much different in practice and there is so much complacency in white or majority-white liberal circles - including my own complacency (assuming london's already-shaky standards of racial unity are mirrored throughout the country, for one), which is where ilx comes in

mordy otoh did a rather wonderful job there of finding the most odious social justice dude he could - to articulate what point, i simply cannot tell ;)

totally banged that hot racist chick tho lol

She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him

got the vibe of Tom Cruise dressing down a girlfriend for arguing with a Clear

that thing white ppl do (in bed)

how did you know I pretend to be Tom Cruise?

Posted this profile in the New Yorker thread but realized it could go here. It's a quintessential mid-2010s story from hashtag/disruption protests to a Colbert appearance:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/05/something-borrowed-wilkinson

cathy hong park's response was a useful corrective imo

Science again tells us what we know:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/study-white-people-react-to-evidence-of-white-privilege-by-claiming-greater-personal-hardships/

hmmph. i don't see an issue with survey respondents acknowledging privilege while pointing out that race is not the only axis. e.g. to imagine an extreme case: "poor, uneducated, white transman with disability acknowledges white privilege while claiming personal hardships" does not strike me as cause to rush to the barricades.

study design seems willfully obtuse wrt intersectionality but hey full disclosure i'm nominally white

wouldn't intersectionality be recognizing "hey, I'm poor so I have hardships, but poor black people (intersection!) have it harder"?

hey black people might have it hard but I have depression!

cool convo. deep

Amazing that people get defensive if you suggest they have it easy. Science.

it's about time we left defensive people alone, definitely

wouldn't intersectionality be recognizing "hey, I'm poor so I have hardships, but poor black people (intersection!) have it harder"?

― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, October 3, 2015

this would be one example, yes

no it's not

haha j not beating around the bush

2015

and everybody's free

I thought this was (mostly) a nice essay, wasn't really sure where to put it:

http://therumpus.net/2015/11/la-boheme-portlandia/

There were a few groaners -- the black ladies playing poker as hamfisted counterpoint, the immediate jump to "gang violence" when talking about the black neighborhood, but a lot of good stuff in there too

im like so far out in front of the academy its not even funny http://tressiemc.com/2016/01/06/when-your-curriculum-has-been-tumblrized/

Franchesca Ramsey
‏@chescaleigh
using “ghetto” to negatively describe something is seeped in anti-blackness. also Tarantino. a man who LOVES saying the n-word @keeltyc

"seeped in"?

"steeped in," maybe?

yeah not knowing how to spell was a sure tell but i posted it more because i thought it was a good example of an insta-take, "seeped" in some academic language the user half-understands, without really thinking about the issue at hand

anyway i've been noticing a new meme is "(it’s always a man)"

xp 100%

May not have thought much about the issue at hand, but seems to have lucked out on a correct analysis

yeah not knowing how to spell was a sure tell but i posted it more because i thought it was a good example of an insta-take, "seeped" in some academic language the user half-understands, without really thinking about the issue at hand

― k3vin k., Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My brain flags this all the time but otoh I'm not here for gatekeeping everyone's exact command of grammar every time they want to express an idea they're just having. People say and write things wrong ALL THE TIME. ALL OF IT. That doesn't mean they're stupid or incapable of seeing something that's true.

definitely "steeped in". the only google results for steeped in anti-blackness are for that tweet and this thread

i agree about grammar - grammar is so often used as a way to ignore what someone's saying.

but that tweet isn't grammatically wrong, it's someone attempting to use a word when they don't actually know what the word they want to use is. that doesn't speak that well of anyone.

actually,

also could just be a typo

unforgivable

i agree about grammar - grammar is so often used as a way to ignore what someone's saying.

but that tweet isn't grammatically wrong, it's someone attempting to use a word when they don't actually know what the word they want to use is. that doesn't speak that well of anyone.

― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:25 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is not different from using grammar to discredit ppl. Lots of people don't know what the words they want to use are, a lot of the time. You know what they're going for, just fill in the blanks and let's all move on without spraining our arms patting ourselves on the back.

I wasn't sure why the tweet was originally posted here-- just seemed like someone saying some pretty standard stuff. Seems like the writer is maybe a famous twitter persona?

yeah not knowing how to spell was a sure tell but i posted it more because i thought it was a good example of an insta-take, "seeped" in some academic language the user half-understands, without really thinking about the issue at hand

― k3vin k., Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My brain flags this all the time but otoh I'm not here for gatekeeping everyone's exact command of grammar every time they want to express an idea they're just having. People say and write things wrong ALL THE TIME. ALL OF IT. That doesn't mean they're stupid or incapable of seeing something that's true.

― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:33 AM (3 hours ago)

fwiw my comment on the spelling was just in response to hoos, that's not why i posted it. i agree spelling things wrong is ok sometimes

what is going on why are you guys talking so much about a typo in the privilege thread

Sure! Spelling, using the wrong word, not being sure how to say what you're saying...it's all fine. People still need to be listened to (or at least if you're gonna rule them out it shouldn't be for these reasons).

Everyone wants for their words to matter and to change something; I don't think this is, like, news to anyone? And they perceive that those terms etc are in some way a language of power. That people who can talk like that get listened to. So it's natural for those who don't have power to try to adopt signaling words that they think will help them be heard. It's not something bad they're doing, it's pretty normal and smart. They're just not doing it seamlessly enough for you/me/us not to notice, and I think we often resent that? It's a response I try/am trying to lose.

what academic language is that tweet supposed to be aping again

I believe the objection was to the use of "seeped in" where it should have been "steeped in."

I get where the error is, I don't get the reference to "academic language the user half-understands"

"Steeped in" is not academic language and "white ppl who use ghetto as a pejorative & love saying the n word are prob racist" is not a concept that originates in academia

Unless my ability to read has completely failed me, I don't think that's in orbit you should be addressing there?