the new USA show MR. ROBOT: the rise of Rami Malek and the inexplicable solidness of Christian Slater

this is basically just Dexter. pretty cool so far tho

― Spottie, Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:03 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idg the comparison here

alienated from society, walks around with a voiceover describing how he doesn't fit in but he wears a mask and pretends to.

that seems pretty much the emotional appeal of both shows to me.

I definitely get the Dexter comparison. Narration from the main character, a job that runs in parallel to criminal dealings, empathy for the dude even if he's doing some bad stuff

on the other hand, I really hope they keep going with the unreliable narration angle

haven't watched the third one, but did anyone else get a vibe from the first couple that Christian Slater's character could possibly not exist?

I really enjoyed the first episode, i really like the look of the show, can't believe its on USA tbh

was fun to see slater again! i forget how distinctive he is in his mannerisms and way he talks

where is the kid from? he's great

haven't watched the third one, but did anyone else get a vibe from the first couple that Christian Slater's character could possibly not exist?

― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, July 9, 2015 3:48 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya def, though imo he throws the whole fsociety squad into question too--we see them interact with him separately from elliot, don't we?

xp he's most notably burned into my brain due to a particularly horrific scene in THE PACIFIC, in which he is great and kind of terrifying

also in one of the twilight movies, the master, short term 12, the oldboy remake, a bunch of TV besides the pacific including 24

really hope that slater isn't a tyler durden character, that would be lame

i've also only watched 2 eps but i am definitely into it, this + unreal = a shockingly good tv summer

I would try UnReal if it was on Hulu.

due to a particularly horrific scene in THE PACIFIC

omg i forgot about this and i wish it had stayed forgotten

I'm sorry man :/ I legit have never forgotten it

this show is 5 eps in and despite being an absurd high-wire act that seems like it could fall apart at any second it has remained fucking great

the drug trip episode was amazing, the heist too

I like that it's been breaking out of Eliot's perspective in the last couple eps, it's helped open up the world and make the whole thing feel a little less adolescent

exactly! like as much as I admire its commitment to Elliot's viewpoint overall because it's reflected in such a strong voice the supporting characters have their own - albeit occasionally nebulous - voice and agency, especially angela and the drug dealer (I can't remember anyone's name atm I'm a tad tipsy)

the corporate swede and even the now locked up dope connect as well provide really strong impressions in their POV scenes

Can't watch it anymore - it's become one of those shows that's only accessible on Hulu if you have cable. Of course, if I had cable, I wouldn't be watching shows on fucking Hulu.

just use one of the questionably legal sites man it's worth it!

(or borrow a cable password from somebody)

Totally enjoying this. The plotting is fine, but it's mostly the production -- so well made, very Fincher-y but with its own subdued weirdness -- and the cast. Rami Malek especially, but most of the leads are good, especially the women. Christian Slater is basically doing his Pump Up the Volume character 25 years on, which is ok but I'm glad he's not the focus of the show.

getting Jim McKay to direct a bunch of it was a good call

haven't watched the third one, but did anyone else get a vibe from the first couple that Christian Slater's character could possibly not exist?

― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:48 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this seems altogether possible considering that the point of the show is to carry out Tyler Durden's dream?

mystified that people are excited about this boring show, death to voiceover.

al do you even like fun

afaict no

i mean when christian slater is the most fun thing about your show, i question how fun your show is

entertaining prob a better word than fun, and unpredictable

voiceover is good here if only bc it's so thoroughly subjective to elliot, it doesn't exist (for the most part) to fill in storytelling gaps, it puts you in this damaged mind in a way that another method couldn't.

and sure I suppoze it can be compared to having the "anti-corporate 4 life skate or die mannnnn" viewpoint of fight club or w/e but I think it's manifested with greater complexity by far here, there is nuance that's not present in fight club - like the hackers question what their revolution would actually accomplish at times instead of being true believers all the way

also, while the anti-corporate viewpoint (that admittedly sometimes resembles that of someone who just read no logo or something) might seem like nothin new to a lot of us in a place like ILX, I'm still somewhat surprised that it's being paid for by nbc/universal.

then again the counterargument as voiced in that one black mirror episode is that that's part of the plan so, shit.

this show rules

the show is definitely getting increasingly fun. I've come to really like the trio of women, esp Shayla, who got the best line of this last episode ("...Obamacare.")

the voiceover is interesting because half the time he addresses "you" and it's obviously something else in his head that he's talking to

or he's talking to christian slater

imo the ideal would be that by the end of the season we find out, in a casual way, that Eliot's been hallucinating Slater, but only some of the time.

enough ppl have been addressing slater directly that i'm beginning to think he might be a real person, but that wouldn't stop elliot from hallucinating him in certain situations necessarily given how often he hallucinates in general, so that could make sense

I think (hope) the show's too smart to steal the Tyler Durden riff wholecloth. It's Durden-esque enough without having him actually be imaginary. I feel like it teased that idea early on, when he goes back to the boardwalk and they're all gone, but then resolved that they are actually real.

i dunno if people have been addressing slater directly - it always seems a bit ambiguous to me whether they're speaking to him or elliott.

i can't help thinking of this show as 'mr rowboat' for some reason btw

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/i-rowboat-10875

pleeeease don't fight club

so yeah i guess they did just kinda flirt with this & then back away from it

i wish to take a long drive to the sounds of this show's synth score

although slater does speak to other characters in the last episode, Elliot isn't involved in the conversation and is almost invisible in his black clothes against a black arcade machine. when slater storms off after arguing with darlene Elliot steps in and starts talking - they never interact with the other characters at the same time. there's definitely a case to be made that elliot and Mr rowboat are alternate personalities, as much as I hope they're just fucking with us.

yeah i was eagle eyeing that and actually enjoyed the degree to which it felt like they were fucking with us by having robot's voice literally in elliot's head during the steel mountain sequence

also lol @ 'steel mountain,' are we all aware of irl offsite data storage facility 'iron mountain'

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/291278/images/iron-mountain.png

iron mountain was one of my company's clients :/

my last job used iron mountain for everything!

we wrote their newsfeed and blog content and whitepapers, it was such a pain in the ass account that required like 6 writers

The World Leader in Pain in the Assery

lol p much

Just watched 1st 2 on a computer monitor that kept pixilating or otherwise breaking down. So hoping I get to watch this on something more stable.
What I could see of it looked interesting.

seems oddly fitting though

I'm enjoying this but it feels like it's moving in an almost inevitably Fight Club-y direction at this point. Is it possible that neither Mr. Robot nor Swedish Patrick Bateman are real? They pop up in inexplicable places with little explanation as to why they're there. And Elliot's cruel interaction with the Steel Mountain employee seemed very Bateman-esque. I want this show to just be what it appears to be on the surface because it does what it does so well, but I fear that we're gonna be going high concept before long.

pretty sure swedish patrick bateman is real cuz we've seen him with other characters away from elliot. i really do hope they're messing with us by making it look like mr rowboat is a delusion but yeah it does feel like a fight club reveal is increasingly likely.

idk, i feel like Inevitable Fight Club Denouement is such a trope at this point that it wouldn't be weird for it to be something they're able to play with & misdirect around. episode five probably had enough moments of sort of unavoidable christian slater participation for it to be retroactively ridiculous if the finale is a shutter island thing. who knows though. also i think the other guy is for sure real, we see him solo/with his wife/&c. anyway i like this series & most all of its cast feel like real finds. it's like michael shannon & kristen stewart: the college years.

did i read somewhere that this was supposed to be a miniseries then usa decided to pick it up for a second season? kinda makes me worried that they had a self-contained story with a shocking mr-rowboat-is-a-delusion finale plotted out.

Yeah, I would guess that it's a show that works better as a binge than as something with extended gaps between episodes. There are certain conceits that felt very grueling when dragged out over the course of weeks that I can imagine being much cooler if viewed over the course of hours. And since you are apparently avoiding spoilers upthread, I will tell you that the general consensus of those who stuck it out is that the show did a kind of remarkable job of landing on its feet in the end. Given how completely insane it gets at times, I'm still a little surprised.

S2 can be a struggle but after that the show finds a groove that's consistently watchable and sometimes great

This, like Legion, was a show I was obsessively into and then just suddenly stopped watching in S2. I might pick it back up some time.

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I was exactly the same with both of these shows. Loved S1, bailed like 2 episodes into S2.

Legion was great but also kind of emotionally exhausting too

i keep forgetting that i have two episodes left in this show

i posted almost the exact same thing five months ago, go figure

I kinda mentioned above but S3 and S4 are excellent. I enjoyed S2 but it was the weakest of the seasons

I really enjoyed the first season and bailed on the stodgy 2nd, went back a few yes later and watched it to finish, great show, Rami's casting was perfect as his performance is astonishing, at times, completely sold the nerdy ego vrs the complex vulnerability of his character

I want to watch Comet again but I don’t know if I’ll be able to replicate the exact way the edible hit me 30 minutes into my first viewing.

seeing ramy on james bond posters now is kinda weird

Was thinking of starting Esmail's Leave the World Behind this weekend--anyone seen it?

Watched it last night. Mostly pretty decent but it falls apart in the last 15 minutes by over-explaining and being so on the nose. Hitchcock didn’t tell us why the birds were rebelling against Man…

I'm halfway through and it's really starting to feel like M. Night Shyamalan.

that was definitely a movie by Sam Esmail

I liked the book, will watch the movie eventually.

By the end, I liked about half of it: the sinister massed deer, the Tesla pile-up, clunky dancing to "Too Close." In terms of sounding an alarm, I didn't think it was all that convincing.

imo the entire apocalyptic background and happenings were window dressing for the actual plot mechanic: the lack of trust and basic human connection necessary for survival when every person has their own preconceived notions and agendas that are ultimately irrelevant

having the one seemingly paranoid character be not that much into conspiracy theories (he was just reacting to the factual information he had) was a choice

i still enjoy esmail's visual style but this was all a bit of silliness. good performances, but didn't really have anything to say.

This was a really good movie, sort of frustrated by the massive online chorus of "Why did it not end with rescue and hugzzzzz"

it falls apart in the last 15 minutes by over-explaining and being so on the nose.

only if you think of the "explanation" presented by the character as having anything to do with what's actually happening

i will concede that the Julia Roberts / Ruth dialogue in the shed near the end is too on the nose

The very ending--what the strange daughter did--was one of my favourite parts. Kind of obvious, I know, but in a good way: felt like it had to end that way.

ps the involvement of Barack and Michelle in this movie has created an entire online ecosystem of people who think it's a leak of plans for the impending satanic NWO takeover

it’s funny that a bunch of people online think the 13 year old was weird when she just wants to finish the one thing that was interrupted. maybe the wide-eyed stare at all the weird shit was part of it?

i’m sure each character maps on to some psychological archetype in some way

xp I can see where the Obamas as producers (they just have a Netflix production deal, who cares) is hatching some conspiracy theories but I doubt they’re that hands-on

conversely, I was aware of the production credit and when Ali and Hawke’s characters are negotiating with Bacon’s, I thought “both of these guys are different parts of Obama’s internal dialogue”

I actually love that there's just that one shot kind of hauntingly establishing there's a woman inside Danny's house, wife, daughter, doesn't matter

only if you think of the "explanation" presented by the character as having anything to do with what's actually happening

I don't think his speech has to be the 'real story' - it was an retelling of things we'd already seen (cars going haywire, transport isolating everyone, communication down, etc.) turned into a narrative. The viewers all got to make that narrative up as we watched, having the prepper lay it out at the very end was unnecessary. (If that conversation came halfway or two thirds in, maybe, but it acted as a summation.)

it was F Society, obviously

anyone else spot the E Corp logo on the meal kit buckets in the back of the pickup at the beginning?

this was super entertaining. great cinema? probably not but a thoroughly enjoyable 2+ hours. I loved the ending. Also it's an interesting choice to put Hawke and Bacon in the same movie as they are morphing into the same guy as they age.

I think this is my third go-around with Mr. Robot--just starting S3--and honest to god, Tyrell and Joanna Wellick are the two most puzzling characters I've ever encountered in a TV show.

Perplexing, not puzzling--meant to use a stronger word.

they just have strong bdsm vibes, that's all

That might be the only thing I understand about them. I was thinking more in terms of their relationship to fSociety and Elliot and everything that transpires. I spent the first season wondering which side Tyler was on and the second season wondering if he was Elliot himself. And she's even more confounding to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi71x5hoaN8

Almost finished. Good use of Carly Rae Jepsen over Darlene and Dom at the airport.

Finished up last night. Remembered almost nothing specific from the last two or three episodes, except how nuts and convoluted it got (and that they would have been better to end with Darlene and Dom on the park bench as people start getting their money)--I still couldn't explain to you how much of the four seasons is real, how much dream/fantasy, and how much somewhere between. Such obvious homages to Lynch (twice) and 2001. "Heroes and Villains" was a nice surprise.

Last thing I'll say on my deathbed: "I still don't fucking understand Tyrell Wellick."

he is just a social striver looking for a cult with a dommy wife

I honestly think my first misreading of Wellick, that we'd find out at some point that he was another manifestation of Elliot's split personality, would have made more sense than what we got. Wellick would have been the corporate, buttoned-up side of Elliot--the social striver, yes--that Elliot recognized in himself (he was, after all, a technological genius with a job at All-Safe) and found loathsome. Obviously they would have needed to restructure the story to accomodate this, but that I would have understood.

I think he was always the guy who sailed through the corporate talking head path but felt a sense of loss he wasn’t the disruptive hacker guy, with all the projected coolness. And he literally goes back to the woodshed with an axe in atonement for his corporate sins! His wife is content with making him feel pathetic

I thought there was a Sam Esmail thread, but I guess not...I've been posting a bit about Homecoming on the Joan Cusack poll, but a bit more here (Esmail was one of the show's creators). I've seen it twice now; Julia Roberts was the lead in S1, Janelle Monáe is S2.

My recollection was the two seasons had a mostly different cast, but not true--Roberts and Shea Whigham are the only two characters who don't carry over at all. I liked S2 a lot this time. Monáe is good, but the performances I really loved were from Hong Chau, Stephen James (Walter Cruz in both seasons--and from Toronto!), Cusack, and Chris Cooper. The show has a lot of affinities with The Manchurian Candidate, including (to my ears) the euphonious connection between "Walter Cruz" and "Raymond Shaw." The resolution to S2 is a little over the top, but it actually worked for me.