a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

'quotidian' is a lovely word

hail Fredonia
http://www.paulshambroomart.com/art/meetings%20revA/images/KS%2C-FREDONIA.jpg

(this should maybe go on another thread)

lean back
http://www.paulshambroomart.com/art/meetings%20revA/images/UT%2C-WAYNE-COUNTY.jpg

the whole primary system is anti-democratic. never more apparent then when they've been leapfrogging the dates last two cycles.

is it any more or less representative than any other state?

Iowa could claim to be a reasonable proxy for the region that includes it, Minnesota and Nebraska. I'm not sure any state could be a reasonable proxy for the entire country.

they should let Kansas City, Mo., have the first caucuses. Just them.

Surely an actual swing state like Ohio would be a better proxy than Iowa.

Iowa's a pretty decent proxy for the GOP primary voter tho xps

i vote for Truth or Consequences, N.M. xp

The disproportionate political influence of Iowa has negative effects, eg ethanol mandates and high-fructose corn syrup subsidies.

and grown men and women going to a hog castration fair

I'm not sure any state could be a reasonable proxy for the entire country.

California's conservative interior and liberal western edge seems pretty close.

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Donald Trump tells NBC that he will win the Latino vote, says he still doesn't think Obama released his real birth certificate.

as an example of how deluded and isolated our ruling oligarchs are, Chump is p perfect

i don't know, he seems like ... if not an outlier, then not exactly representative

his form of evil isn't sufficiently mundane

I don't mean his specific personality, just the level/degree of remove from daily reality of the rest of us proles

in his levels of self-deception he's highly representative of a large number of americans of whatever economic class

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/upshot/why-bernie-sanderss-momentum-is-not-built-to-last.html

sadly, this is probably mostly true. that sanders is unlikely to generate the kind of enthusiasm among black voters that obama generate seems, i guess, a historical inevitability, though it although suggests the limits of "identitarian" politics (in adolph reed's formulation).

also in that piece:

Mrs. Clinton is a liberal Democrat by any measure.

really? by any measure?!

lol @ that

identitarian is a terrible term wtf

why?

the NY Times pimping for an Elite American rep, shockah

not the concept, just the word itself sounds really awkward

yeah it sounds like trustifarian or something

that article isn't "pimping" for anyone

Mrs. Clinton is a liberal Democrat by any measure we can conceive of in our glass tower, have you checked out the $10 million condo ads?

who are all these allegedly liberal ppl who love HRC, anyway?

i mean they obviously exist, but i don't think i've talked to one person who was excited about her candidacy.

celebrity worshippers who believe election-season pandering

i think the article is mostly right about bernie's chances, deluded about clinton's politics, but it's not actually endorsing either

save the "pimping" language for the numerous puff pieces that are actually pimping

i don't think it's at all a given that black voters would prefer HRC to sanders -- her husband was awful on race issues and she ran a pretty vile campaign against obama in 2008 with some really low moments.

Nate Cohn is cute, you guys

i wonder if that veteran troll i killfiled still thinks i am going to engage in dialogue with him? guess i'll never know

Polls suggest that Clinton remains popular among black voters. About three in four African Americans viewed Clinton favorably in a Washington Post-ABC news poll in early 2014. About half of those respondents gave her “strongly” favorable ratings, although not quite as high as the roughly three-quarters who strongly favored Obama. And in a recent Gallup poll, Clinton got her most favorable reviews from nonwhite men and women. Indeed, nonwhite women gave Clinton a higher favorable rating – 71 percent – than white women, 50 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/05/27/are-black-voters-fired-up-for-hillary-clinton/

because, tho?

Clinton drew strong support from the African American community and made improving race relations a major theme of his presidency.[21] In 1998, Nobel Prize-winning author Toni Morrison in The New Yorker called Clinton "the first Black president," saying, "Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas," and comparing Clinton's sex life, scrutinized despite his career accomplishments, to the stereotyping and double standards that blacks typically endure.[22]

In 2008, Morrison's sentiments were raised anew as Barack Obama, who would later become the country's first African-American president, ran for the presidency. After endorsing Obama, Morrison distanced herself from her 1998 remark about Clinton, saying that it was misunderstood. She alleged that she has "no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race" and claimed she was only describing the way he was being treated during the impeachment trial as an equivalent to a poor black person living in the ghetto.[23] Obama himself, when asked in a Democratic debate about Morrison's declaration of Clinton as "black", replied that Clinton had an enormous "affinity" with the black community, but joked he would need to see Clinton's dancing ability before judging him to be black.[24][25]

One measure of Clinton's popularity among African-American and other minority citizens was demonstrated in 2002, when the Compton Unified School District in Compton, California chose a name for a new primary school. The district is evenly divided between African American and Hispanic students; community leaders decided rather than name the school after an African American or Hispanic figure, potentially snubbing one of the communities, they would christen name the school after Clinton, whose popularity in both communities was enormous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Bill_Clinton#Popularity_among_African-Americans

i wonder if that veteran troll i killfiled still thinks i am going to engage in dialogue with him? guess i'll never know

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:35 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good riddance!

no one has ever explained to me how to killfile someone; is there a thread for that?

Effectively, I have no idea where the idea that black people en masse are going to desert the Clintons is coming from. Sanders needs to introduce himself if he's going to pull focus; right now, he seems to be playing to the same political nerds who freaked out over Howard Dean.

Otm

no direct reasons in the WaPo except "strong woman" xxp

well, that's Bill. And he done the strong woman wrong. xp

i watched a good chunk of Sanders from Portland the other night, and he was addressing black-specific issues more than any lefty prez upstart i can recall.

Was he addressing them to a black audience? Because that would be an important thing for him to do if he would like to attract black voters.

well, it was Maine, but it was on the internets.

anyway, Hil riding Bill's Toni Morrison transference to the presidency in exchange for that lil blue dress, wow, what a great feminist role model.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/11/how-black-voters-could-determine-the-2016-election/

The most pertinent charts are the Republican vs Democrat matchups and Hillary's support compared to Obama's support, along with this:

This, of course, is highly hypothetical, and it seems unlikely either drop would be so severe -- especially given black turnout was already on the upswing before Obama came along and that Democrats haven't taken less than 89 percent of the black vote since 1996. But it demonstrates the potential for millions of votes to swing under a certain set of circumstances.

I have no idea where the idea that black people en masse are going to desert the Clintons is coming from

^^^this

i doubt the percentages will shift much -- in terms of the proportion of the black vote going to democrats -- but as that article suggests turnout could be quite a bit lower

identitarian is a terrible term wtf

i just get confused bc it also refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement ?

"there will be lower black voter turnout" is not the same thing as "black voters are likely to pick Sanders over Clinton", particularly right now when Sanders is a virtual unknown to that demographic

I don't think it's impossible but Obama had a couple of strong advantages when it came to pulling focus from Hillary:

- He had already been introduced on the national stage as the future of the Democratic Party in 2004.
- He is black.

Sanders has neither of those.

"there will be lower black voter turnout" is not the same thing as "black voters are likely to pick Sanders over Clinton", particularly right now when Sanders is a virtual unknown to that demographic

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right, of course. i wasn't implying that.

to add to your list, obama is also handsome/charismatic and has a great back story. not sure sanders has any of those things. i guess it /shouldn't/ matter, but it does.

he's kind of charismatic in a grumpy but lovable grampa kind of way, idk. maybe that's just me

"grumpy old white guy" always an easy sell to the black community

no one i know of who supports Sanders (on the board, that is) thinks he will be nominated. it's a prog pacifier for the next 9 months or so.