a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

long enough to keep pulling HRC into progressive-populist territory

Could everyone plz explain what they mean when they resurrect this hoary phrase whenever they use it? Does anyone think this has anything to do with changing policies that will be implemented by her putative Administration? Why would it? If not, who cares? "good goin Hil, you fooled the rubes again!"

sorry for grammar, 3 hrs sleep, sick etc

i think the basic problem is that ppl are going to care more about "pushing HRC to the left" while she's running for president than when she actually becomes president. leaving aside the fact that HRC's politics are probably pretty set-in-stone at this point, we haven't really figured out an effective way to hold politicians accountable once they reach the presidency.

otoh, like doc casino says upthread, someone like sanders actually making any impact at all could well have unforeseeable effects on american politics, making certain issues more ok to bring up, making the electorate less automatically fearful of "socialist" ideas, pushing other candidates to the left. or maybe it won't do anything. but who knows? weirder things have happened.

we haven't really figured out an effective way to hold politicians accountable once they reach the presidency.

in their first term they want to be re-elected to a second term, so they are more susceptible to public pressure/opinion polls etc. in guiding their policies. By the end of a second term they are p much doing whatever the fuck they want/true colors are revealed.

long enough to keep pulling HRC into progressive-populist territory

Could everyone plz explain what they mean when they resurrect this hoary phrase whenever they use it? Does anyone think this has anything to do with changing policies that will be implemented by her putative Administration? Why would it? If not, who cares? "good goin Hil, you fooled the rubes again!"

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:51 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My assumption is not so much that a putative HRC Administration would accomplish or even attempt to accomplish any particular element of a socialist or simply Sandersesque agenda. But ideas in campaigns (to the extent any exist) are part of the like background noise that shapes what's possible nationally, on the state level, locally. It's all about gravity. If whoever the Dem front-runner is is being dragged into making policy speeches in favor of stuff like more progressive taxation, higher minimum wages, mass transit infrastructure, sustainable energy, whatever, it lends credence to the idea that the center is further to the left than 1992 or 2008 HRC would've said it is.

“For too long, we Republicans have been content to lose the black vote because we found we didn’t need it to win," he added. "But when we gave up trying to win the support of African-Americans, we lost our moral legitimacy as the party of Lincoln, as the party of equal opportunity for all. It’s time for us once again to reclaim our heritage as the only party in our country founded on the principle of freedom for African-Americans."

Perry's affirmation of the protections of the 14th Amendment did not lead him, however, to reverse his position on voter ID laws that critics say disenfranchise elderly and minority voters. In a Q&A after his speech, Perry said it was important that states "protect that precious right of voting and make sure it is not fraudulently used."

In case there's any public records requests about legislative actions in Wisconsin you wanted to make, you should probably get that done sooner rather than later

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wisconsin-public-records-20150702-story.html

that is entirely consistent with everything they have done since they came to power in 2010.

Republican Sen. Leah Vukmir, another member of the budget committee, continued walking by reporters without speaking when asked what she thought of the open records changes.

how appropriate.

sorry it's hard for me to respond to stuff like this with anything except a mix of acidity and despair. it's been five years of nonstop assault on democracy and decency, and they've gotten away with everything. the most despicable human beings -- just completely craven, foolish hypocrites -- are in control of this state and there's nothing i can do about it.

Does now seem like legislature may be teeing this up for Walker to veto so as to establish anti-HRC talking point re State Dept. email

^ if so, then it demonstrates a good practical grasp of Machiavellian politics

i don't think the state legislator is that invested in walker's presidential prospects

knowing the GOP in this state i have no doubt that their interest in seeing this passed is entirely sincere

Yeah, on a legislature level, they don't give a shit about helping out any governor. As far as they're concerned, that's just a seat that one of them could fill in the near future.

i don't think the state legislator is that invested in walker's presidential prospects

I disagree -- see e.g. reporting that the governor was directly involved in crafting wording of 20 week no rape exception abortion ban passed by legislature, surely aimed at GOP primary voters. Not saying there aren't lots of legislators who sincerely support this, but they wouldn't be pushing it now if not for SW's campaign needs.

but someone was arguing that legislators were crafting this piece /specifically/ so that walker could /veto/ it (not support it). that seems like a level of chessboxing i'm not convinced the state legislature is capable of playing.

by "this piece" i mean the provision in the budget that basically does away with open-records laws and prevents people from having a look at what legislators are up to outside of the chamber.

walker has everything to gain btw from that passing

"The answer is obvious: Chelsea is eligible to run in 2016."

http://wemeantwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Chelsea-Clinton.jpg

When Bill was her age, he had already lost his first re-election campaign for governor.

Sad to see this sf shooting be used as an excuse for trump to double-down on his racist bullshit

As soon as I saw who the cops picked up the first thing I thought was oh shit here we go again, while everyone pretends that the gun is the infinitely more trivial of the two issues.

My thoughts exactly

http://www.jsonline.com/news/scott-walker-calls-for-open-records-overhaul-to-be-completely-removed-or-changed-b99532073z1-311638151.html

yeah he does

Republican sources have said that at least some lawmakers were told by backers of the motion before the vote that Walker's office had given an assurance that the governor would not veto the public records provision

so basically they thought they could sneak this by without an uproar

Looking like that. But they've built in a decent number of layers of deniability.

have they done ANYTHING without trying to sneak it in one way or another

sneaking in a pro-sneaking initiative is just piling it on

The proposed changes come as Walker is being sued for refusing to release such records related to his proposal to alter the University of Wisconsin System's mission statement to eliminate the Wisconsin Idea. The Wisconsin Idea says the system is committed to improving people's lives in all corners of the state.

Walker backed off on rewriting the Wisconsin Idea after the issue came to light.

LOL

The conjunction of 'Scott Walker' and records mad me think of the wrong one. That's really starting to get annoying.

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thread delivers

hipsters in checkered shirt

pool of blood under the "I" is a nice touch

i know that town btw they have an outlet mall

hey, maybe he just really likes beghazi as a tourist destination

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hell yea badas

Liefeld still can't draw feet I see

https://berniesanders.com/news/live-portland-maine/

Bern just said we are living under an oligarchy; it's like he's been lurking!

Statement from Donald J. Trump:

I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech. Here is what I said, and yet this statement is deliberately distorted by the media:

“When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc. This was evident just this week when, as an example, a young woman in San Francisco was viciously killed by a 5 time deported Mexican with a long criminal record, who was forced back into the United States because they didn’t want him in Mexico. This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States. In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican
government. The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world. On the other hand, many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it.

The Mexican Government wants an open border as long as it’s a ONE WAY open border into the United States. Not only are they killing us at the border, but they are killing us on trade … and the country of Mexico is making billions of dollars in doing so.

I have great respect for Mexico and love their people and their peoples’ great spirit. The problem is, however, that their leaders are far smarter, more cunning, and better negotiators than ours. To the citizens of the United States, who I will represent far better than anyone else as President, the Mexican government is not our friend…and why should they be when the relationship is totally one sided in their favor on both illegal immigration and trade. I have pointed this out during my speeches and it is something Mexico doesn’t want me to say. In actuality, it was only after my significant rise in the polls that Univision, previously my friend, went ballistic. I believe that my examples of bad trade deals for the United States was of even more concern to the Mexican government than my talk of border security.

I have lost a lot during this Presidential run defending the people of the United States. I have always heard that it is very hard for a successful person to run for President. Macy’s, NBC, Serta and NASCAR have all taken the weak and very sad position of being politically correct even though they are wrong in terms of what is good for our country. Univision, because 70% of their business comes from Mexico, in my opinion, is being dictated to by the Mexican Government. The last thing Mexico wants is Donald Trump as President in that I will make great trade deals for the United States and will have an impenetrable border--only legally approved people will come through easily.

Interestingly, Univision has just announced they are attempting to go public despite very poor and even negative earnings, which is not a good situation for a successful IPO or high stock price—not to mention that I am currently suing them for breach of contract. Remember, Univision is the one who began this charade in the first place, and they are owned by one of Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers. After the speech was made, there were numerous compliments and indeed, many rave “reviews”—there was very little criticism. It wasn’t until a week after my announcement that people started to totally distort these very easy to understand words. If there was something stated incorrectly, it would have been brought up immediately and with great enthusiasm.

The issues I have addressed, and continue to address, are vital steps to Make America Great Again! Additionally, I would be the best jobs President that God ever created. Let’s get to work!

totally delusional

Univision started it! It's really about bad trade deals! One of thousands of similar incidents!

the Mexican government is not our friend…and why should they be when the relationship is totally one sided in their favor on both illegal immigration and trade.

That... sounds like a pretty good reason for them to be?

the Mexican Government playing even more dimensions of chess than usual here

it would be nice to get a full list of our friends and enemies from donald trump

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They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico.

Palin-level syntax there.

their leaders are far smarter, more cunning, and better negotiators than ours.

I look forward to Trump's plan to dump all of our drug-dealing murderous rapists in Mexico. can't believe no American leader has thought of this before!

predictably, obama caved at the 2011 murderer trade summit, conceded everything to the Mexican Government --- never again!!