Panel Discussion - The ILX Comic Strip Poll Results

never heard of it, and I'm a big Blegvad fan, psyched to explore that website

no print collections of this, I assume?

There was a hardcover published in both the US and UK.

he'd have to go back in time to draw these strips.

he would if he hadn't drawn them in the past

called The Book Of Leviathan, sorry

ooh it's in paperback as well:

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Leviathan-Peter-Blegvad/dp/1590200527

xposts yeah it was a reference to this writeup:

Former Slapp Happy musician takes a break from collaborating with John Zorn and Andy Partridge to draw a dreamlike, existential weekly for a British newspaper, through most of the ‘90s.

nm.

I'm interested in other comics work by Blegvad. he used to draw a strip for terrible UK right-wing magazine Standpoint:

http://standpointmag.co.uk/taxonomy/term/501?page=5

I think he used to do a cartoon in David Hepworth + Mark Ellen's Word magazine as well. does anyone know of more recent material?

some more cartoons here

http://radiofreesongclub.com/artists/peter-blegvad

The '90s started two and a half decades ago, which is in the past iirc

27: GARFIELD MINUS GARFIELD by Dan Walsh (106 points, 4 votes)
garfieldminusgarfield.net/

A meme almost twice as good as the strip it undetournes, according to science.

Yeah, but his collaboration with Andy Partridge was in 2003, but now I see they have done work since the eighties, so OK I'm out.

some more cartoons here

http://radiofreesongclub.com/artists/peter-blegvad

^ nice

26: ZIPPY the PINHEAD by Bill Griffith (107 points, 6 votes)
Understanding Zippy The Pinhead

The second work in the poll that converted from page-based comics to a strip, but this change was lasting. Mostly a vehicle for absurdity in original mode, that aspect was retained in the shift to weekly and then daily mode, but more significantly, Griffith incorporated the approach of his other underground series, Griffith Observatory. More often than not, Zippy’s encountering of the oddities of American life are less a prompt for his non-sequitur reactions – whether positive or negative – and more an opening for “Griffy” to express an actual opinion on what these things say about US culture, politics, and character.

Probably the longest-running work in the poll still by its original author? Remind me to check that when we’re done.

http://www.zippythepinhead.com/media/one.jpg

http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/2011/images/052311.gif

http://static.flickr.com/72/197175760_044b725c2a_o.gif

http://www.lostwackys.com/Wacky-Packages/Lost-Wackys/1970s/Bill-Griffith/zippy3.jpg

http://mrc-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Newsbusters/static/2009/12/zippypinhead.gif

http://38.media.tumblr.com/28da8809a2017432986718b46c87de5a/tumblr_mm7b1dRkVu1qzvn61o1_500.gif

http://images.tcj.com/2011/11/121494.gif

http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/other/images/yow2.jpg

due respect

haha weird I have been re-reading my copy of "Pinhead's Progress" lately

was disturbed by the Zippy erotica book I saw in the shop a few weeks back, was that really necessary

Misread that as Ziggy erotica and gah.

what is the Zippy erotica book?

fear of flying iirc

made me sad

looks like it was something that included a reprint of Young Lust #8...?

This is Young Lust #8. It has a Dan Clowes cover. It came out in 1993, and it must have gone instantly in the shredder, because I have literally never gotten one response. I decided to put all of my characters into the most explicitly sexual situations I could possibly imagine, as a tongue-in-cheek critique of pornography. It was called "Fleshed Out," and you could see Zippy and Griffy arriving at a party at the upper left. I mean it's a porno. 1993, I was seven years into my daily comic strip appearing in respected newspapers across the country. I was sweating this out for months after I did it, thinking, "What have I done? Someone's gonna find out. They're going to cancel me in the Washington Post and the San Francisco Examiner, Seattle Post. It's the end of my career. Why did I do something so stupid?" But as I said, no one has ever noticed it. [laughter] I think I did a really good job. I highly recommend it. I reread it last week. This is the last page. Every one of the characters is engaged in a sexual romp. Explicit and pornographic as it could possibly be. In a previous page to this, I have Griffy in a compromising position saying, "Well, what is pornography? Whatever turns you on, right? Human sexuality is a complex phenomenon." And his girlfriend at the moment is saying "Hey, wait a second, I'm not finished with my scathing, uh" and he says "Of course, the male and female versions differ widely, in very distinct ways. The clinical approach puzzles me. These videos with their tight close ups of plunging meat. Only a dirt bald brute could find that arousing, n'est pas?" The punch line of this whole strip is at the end, his occasional wife and Zippy are having explicit sex and she says "Oh, Zippy, I love it when you talk dirty." And Zippy says, "Are we having sex yet?"

http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=allYLs&Category_Code=ruc&Product_Count=4
i own a bunch of the first run Young Lust comix; got em from my dad's high school graduation present of his old underground collection

traded funny aminals #1 for a full run of Melmoth in Cerebus; always been a regret

hahaha wtf man!

ah, it's not that rare, just a dumb move. I have it in reprint in any case.

just looked in Lost & Found - that story is 6 pages in a 364-page, 35-year long collection of miscellania, not a "Zippy erotica book"

the campaign starts here for a full graphic novel though

or to have a single 22-year-old issue of an anthology Griffith edited for 22 years before that banned, Shakey's call

I have that issue (magazine-sized iirc?) but haven't read it btw!

I didnt call for anything to be banned.

I looked at the book for 30 seconds and wasnt sure what it was

You are truly the most pedantic of pedants

hey you're the one who only looked at those six pages, too "disturbed" and "saddened" and "unnecessary" to look at the cover hmm, methinks the lady doth protest too much

25: THE SPIRIT by Will Eisner, Jules Feiffer, Wally Wood and diverse hands (113 points, 6 votes)
The official page on willeisner.com was apparently written by someone who has never read any Spirit comics

And here we have one that – I think? – while it did convert from multi-page stories to strips, never did so under the hand of its creator.

May 11, 1947:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CRqyq6xve2Q/VFAKkkvSGGI/AAAAAAABEj4/CdzyMKhWqIM/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-33_470511.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OAaNWIAlb9M/VFAKjG2Ee3I/AAAAAAABEjo/1wPnUWUYQKs/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-34_470511.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8r5RrjTcNXs/VFAKjkH4tmI/AAAAAAABEjs/06jqInWfKvk/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-35_470511.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1mOMm73-pEg/VFAKlFt3OII/AAAAAAABEkA/GZ8bBk76FOY/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-36_470511.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDtLbjHr908/VFAKlzkcy9I/AAAAAAABEkE/QhkiIL3gB6I/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-37_470511.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-erWknHpNAu0/VFAKmUBRDUI/AAAAAAABEkM/tnyhlTs981Y/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-38_470511.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vlxcl5oheBU/VFAKnIqn7fI/AAAAAAABEkY/-0svue6MsEU/s1600/Spirit_Mag_11-39_470511.jpg

September 1, 1940:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KdyGxMsjtyg/T1aTLWmck2I/AAAAAAAAfRo/XmKt81wXV2o/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p01.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wp29tWl4w0w/T1aTOH4MvjI/AAAAAAAAfRw/9gxjUQezyGM/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ulj9gq8vDWo/T1aTQ1FfwSI/AAAAAAAAfR4/kUC_B1VtX4A/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p03.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zgpI4WcXi7I/T1aTTGh_agI/AAAAAAAAfSA/0cK9lTVPBKo/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p04.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZvS6aVmlFMA/T1aTV7mKwEI/AAAAAAAAfSI/MMuz2fRPsuE/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p05.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b_zYmnYUmd8/T1aTYt16ACI/AAAAAAAAfSQ/vqD-CVYJlP0/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p06.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DQVsRwPmK8o/T1aTbLhfniI/AAAAAAAAfSY/xENye27g4kU/s1600/spiritsection1940-09-01p07.jpg

May 23, 1948:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s5wRQsZr54s/UZlvaQSNqhI/AAAAAAAAzEs/xoD5LuhzI8E/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-35_480523.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_cVPHrKVC5o/UZlvbYw4JpI/AAAAAAAAzE0/Pyehh7bRot4/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-36_480523.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Btfryb57fGk/UZlvbwz5CnI/AAAAAAAAzE8/o3EaVEThVcI/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-37_480523.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dPOrfQCVI_k/UZlvcqvH0fI/AAAAAAAAzFE/91aodHLryys/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-38_480523.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l9UFam0nBqk/UZlvdB11BmI/AAAAAAAAzFI/cF-zH06FPMQ/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-39_480523.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cg2w6Rp5TEI/UZlvdl56W4I/AAAAAAAAzFU/FO3mk64rTPo/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-40_480523.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PFP438j-LNs/UZlveQ4Tu0I/AAAAAAAAzFc/OKQaCSnBwd8/s1600/Spirit_Mag_08-41_480523.jpg

methinks the lady doth protest too much

lol what sinister ulterior (perhaps puritan?) motive could you possibly think I have here. I was following my kids around the store flipping through things, I didn't check the indicia of every book I opened.

just lookin' for pinhead porn

24: GASOLINE ALLEY by Frank King (114 points, 6 votes)
Dailies collected by D&Q / Sundays collected by Dark Horse

Commissioned as a strip to appeal to the new demographic of middle-class car owners, it accidentally revolutionized the funny pages by following a “real-time” format, and allowing abandoned baby Skeezix (spelled backwards is Skizzix) to grow up before the readers’ eyes. King’s facility at creating a relatable soap opera narrative outshone his also remarkable skill at designing innovative and gorgeous full-colour Sundays, until resurrected by Chris Ware for the 3rd volume of D&Q’s titular anthology. Started in 1919, King stepped down from the Sundays in 1951, and expired from his remaining contributions to the daily (by now co-credited) in 1969.

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Gasoline-Alley-092912.jpg

http://www.umich.edu/~csie/comicart/StripArt/GasolineAllyFrankKingRachel.JPG

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Gasoline-Alley-100521.jpg

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/050528.jpg

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/021526.jpg

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/King-Frank-GA-9-6-21.jpg

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/042026.jpg

http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Gasoline-Alley-The-Complete-Sundays-Vol-1-interior-1.jpg

http://www.markstaffbrandl.com/CAA/gasoline.jpg

http://hiandlois.com/files/2013/10/gasolinealleycolor.jpg

here's a working version of that broken Sunday:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/Gasoline-Alley-The-Complete-Sundays-Vol-1-interior-1_zpscrneyqq3.jpg

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/king-sequence1-625x740.jpg

https://conversazionisulfumetto.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/gasoline-alley-ware.jpg

http://www.du9.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Gasoline-Alley-Sunday-page-by-Frank-King.jpg

https://theperiodicfable.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/gasoline-alley-1.jpg

Those Sunday GAs are so beautiful (I know some of them from the Smithsonian newspaper strip anthology) - love the combo of autumnal pastoralism and agressive graphic modernism, looking to the past and the future simultaneously. Wish there was like a one-volume 'best of' collection of these, in a (physical and financially) affordable form.

http://www.amazon.com/Gasoline-Alley-Complete-Sundays-1920-1922/dp/1616553340
two volumes for 80 bucks seems reasonable. i simply don't have the space.
but i do have all the daily reprint books.

-How does the sap know when it's time to come up again?
-How do you know when it's time to play marbles.

two volumes for 80 bucks seems reasonable.

but that's actually eleven volumes for over $800, p much the exact opposite of what Ward was wishing for

King stepped down from the Sundays in 1951

there IS a Maresca / Ware table-sized best-of though! if I had a home I'd probably be ordering it in one drink's time

that book is the size of a table and not so much physically affordable
though i've been tempted

if you're going to do a best of may as well print it at the proper size imo

I got bought it for Christmas and blimey it's huge.

proper size should probably involve fitting onto a bookshelf imo
i'm glad this stuff exists for library use but the vogue for gargantuoversized reprint/artist proofs is steering me away rather than to purchase these days

23: THE BOONDOCKS by Copy & Paste (118 points, 6 votes)
Universal

The Boondocks was a daily syndicated comic strip written and originally drawn by Aaron McGruder that ran from 1996 to 2006. Created by McGruder in 1996 for Hitlist.com, an early online music website, it was printed in the monthly hip hop magazine The Source in 1997. As it gained popularity, the comic strip was picked up by the Universal Press Syndicate for debut on April 19, 1999. A popular and controversial strip, The Boondocks satirizes African American culture and American politics as seen through the eyes of young, black radical Huey Freeman

Am I missing something...is this getting updated elsewhere?

It's maintaining it's usual schedule.

It seems a mammoth undertaking, and given how many books it's prompted me to search out, I would probs go broke if sic updated any faster!