TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - Season Two

I'll add one more comparison point for Rick Springfield (who I totally didn't recognize): Gary Oldman in Hannibal. (I actually thought it was Benedict Cumberbatch.)

Also Kevin bacon in Behind the candelabra

i missed the gay impliciation w/kitsch, it's possible i go into a fugue state whenever i can tell the scene is about nothing other than how messed up the detectives are.

some otm stuff above, i was getting interested in vaughan's character but vaughan himself has been a disaster.

i actually don't think Vaughn is *that* bad either

kitsch breakup scene was great - "you're doing this"

I forgot at first, but I watched last season often w/ closed captions turned on & it helps a lot to figure out dialogue imo

If what they have to offer is a slowly developing mystery plot with the occasional insanity and laughably bad dialogue I might just finally watch hemlock grove s2 instead

Now THAT'S got some carcosa in it

some of the shit in this show if they just dialed it back a lil maybe like my dad locked me in the basement okay thats sort of interesting FOR FOUR DAYS AND RATS ATE ME

cmon

everyone has v nice haircuts tho i noticed this last ep

the best character so far is the mayor

if farrell is dead does that mean adams and kitsch are the true detectives? riding around in a car together not talking, occasionally he says i wanna get back on the bike then she stabs him

I think Frank needed an actor who can above all radiate a kind of extreme maturity (if that's the word i want, I'm not sure, "gravitas" isn't it either). vaughn seems to playing it as a guy who is himself playing at maturity.

― ryan, Monday, June 29, 2015 12:15 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes this is very good i wldnt even have noticed this is what that characters about but it totally is, he shd be played by someone ten years older than vaughn too

the best character so far is the mayor

― lag∞n, Monday, June 29, 2015 10:28 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the mayor has a 10-yard head start on everyone else who has to say these lines b/c he can play them as drunktalk

if we were just able to spend a few seconds looking at them w/o being suffocated by exposition

― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Monday, June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah feel like a lot of the explaining cld be left out, like its a p complex story but u cld just ride along not really knowing whats going on letting it unfold organically itd be fine

mayor v good at playing drunk as iirc someone already mentioned xp

a moody too complex to understand never resolved detective story w a guy wearing a crow mask wld be v cool and lynchian

Who can process all that bizspeak in realtime? Nobody. Pretty big flaw imo.

wonder what the dead guy was up to

guy playing the mayor was doing the rare brando/deniro combo, v advanced character work

pretty sure I've seen the big sleep around 5 times and I still don't get it. I am a daydreamer though and can't follow most plots if they require me to pay close attention to what people are saying.

In any case an incomprehensible plot (and this one totally make sense so far) is par for the genre, no? My platonic idea of a noir would have an infinitely recursive mystery, where a comprehensive solution is tantalizingly close but never quite in reach.

"Some people can't handle the deep trip."

its true

guy playing the mayor was doing the rare brando/deniro combo, v advanced character work

― johnny crunch, Monday, June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

is brando just drunk deniro? read my hilarious yet thought provoking on line blog article

im totally into complex plots involving biz-talk and other jargon

i think i do like closure tho, but maybe closure that hints that the ppl really responsible are totally out of reach

the first season was maybe saying that w its conclusion idk hard to tell

or a tragic conclusion where the hero gets drone striked by his own government

Yeah both of those are good.

And first season was totally saying that imo.

mayor's son will definitely be involved with this later

im not a huge detective story reader but i do really like how raymond chandler and elmore leonard have this strong internal logic to ppls behavior under duress thats never explained but is omnipresent and essential to how their stories unfold

And first season was totally saying that imo.

― ryan, Monday, June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feel like it also cldve been saying the whole thing was just a load of conspiracy bs that the true detectives bought into because theyre paranoid and unhappy

yeah that's def there too, maybe more subtle-like.

i feel like the mayor was more than just drunk in that scene

xps was definitely saying that to some extent - the conspiracy was real in that children were being killed or had been before (or the videotape wouldn't exist), but the show wanted to make it perfectly clear that rust thinking he could blow it all down was a fool's errand given how entrenched it was

i think since the powers involved in the season 2 conspiracy are even more banal - as in they're the ppl that grease the wheels for so many societal functions and processes - it's even less likely to be blown open

I couldn't make it through this episode

My platonic idea of a noir would have an infinitely recursive mystery, where a comprehensive solution is tantalizingly close but never quite in reach.

They should just make a movie version of 2666 already

btw lol at the vape culture slander in this ep

They should just make a movie version of 2666 already

― Heez, Monday, June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would be amaaaaazing but could never happen, not as a typical movie. maybe miniseries. the best episodes of the departed FX show the bridge, particularly season 2, are as close to that as anything i've seen

sounds like I need to read 2666 (and maybe watch the bridge).

I couldn't make it through this episode

― Οὖτις, Monday, June 29, 2015 12:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

second half is really good i think! but also just watch it & like it or don't either way it's fine.

In any case an incomprehensible plot (and this one totally make sense so far) is par for the genre, no? My platonic idea of a noir would have an infinitely recursive mystery, where a comprehensive solution is tantalizingly close but never quite in reach.

― ryan, Monday, June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so otm. the condition & atmosphere of things being tangled is really separate from the logistics of what's happening, & the kinda ideal climate of this & things like it is just be an exhausting convoluted machine chewing up its wearisome protagonists.

- drunk mayor so great, like 70's cop movie "whats the fuckin point we're fucked" Dirty Harry great.

- i kinda like the banality of the city politics and Vaughn's trynamakeit guy. His line readings are bad but there's something about him...he's like toxic algae, trying to grow & get along in a sludge pool. you dont want him to succeed but it's kinda fascinating that he would a) try or b) WANT to. And i love the desperation angle now that he knows he's got nothing: that makes ppl make crazy bad decisions :D

- rick springfield loool so good, behind the candelabra lizardperson realness

please dont have killed farrell

as entertained as i am by the season on some level, i'm wrapping up the season 1 pilot and there's more wit and rhythm in the first 20 minutes of that episode than there's going to be in all of season 2.

maybe this one will end better tho

yeah springfield was a highlight of the episode

the flowers, the big hug mug, making the car a place of silent reflection.

like, you can do the sucking a robot's dick line, but not the way they did it.

season 1 set a plot in motion and then made you love the characters, season 2 tried to put together a wikipedia on the characters before starting the plot.

ya. pretty much this.

yep

harrelson is a genius with deadpan delivery even back to Cheers days, a high bar set for s2

lol I forgot about the car as a place of silent reflection.