WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like the way Bobby thinks.

Gasp! You mean for myself?!

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

dogwhistle time

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty nmuch, yeah. ILE is often goose-step central, don't you know.

― Big Juan (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Can't anybody else see that?! Watch it again.

Well at least some comedy has come out of this whole thing.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost thanks, Roger, and I agree, btw. It reminds me of middle school when people would pick on the weird kid because then the cool kids would respect them more.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Bobby, I think you are being foolish.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

I agree, this is not wise, but damn it, someone has to stick up for this poor dumbass. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

(except Mel Gibson)

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

It reminds me of middle school when people would pick on the weird kid...

Don't flatter yourself.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

principle of fair trial = defendent has competent and effective lawyer

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

Often, a fair trial is composed of idiot jurors and a bunch of maniacs outside with signs.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

Don't flatter yourself.

Likewise, shortbus.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

ha! goodun.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

(total nonsarcasm, *slow clap* 'n shit)

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

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― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S UNCALLED FOR!

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

wtf, mahalo OTM

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

Bobby McHooded there seems to be giving Richards far, far too much credit.

― jonviachicago (jonviachicago), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

jackie Chiles will get him out of it!

― get yr coat luv uve jes bin pulld (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose this was inevitable:

The jerk store called. They ran out of Michael Richards.

― Noilly Prat (kenan), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

What's distressing is the rush to judgement here. After having watched it at least 4 times now, I am positive he was trying to make a point about why they felt entitled to be loud and obnoxious because they're black. Now, this is probably a racist thing in itself, since who knows why they were being loud and obnoxious, but I really think he was trying to say, "Look! There's a nigger!" in a way that meant, "You guys just love to draw attention to yourselves. You just looove to be different, don't you? Well, here you go! You're different! You want to be different, just like back in the day?! Well, here you go! Let's throw out the niggers!" Can't anybody else see that?! Watch it again. I seriously doubt the dude is racist. Just not funny.

Have you ever seen stand-up comedy? There's something called "heckling." It happens when you suck. People yell stuff at you. It's not a "black thing." Giving the heckler a hostile reminder of lynching is not really the best way to respond. It'd be kind of like if a Jew heckled him and he said "Sixty years ago we sent people like you to the concentration camps!"

I don't know why I even need to spell this out for you, and the fact that I need to just emphasizes how useless it is.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

Washed up comic hurls racial epithets at loud obnoxious blacks SHOCKA!

You know what would rule? If Americans just stopped apologizing and owned up to their true feelings. People are flawed. History was a lot of bad news. The internet's full of whiners. Asi es la vida.

Maybe if the country began an UNCENSORED dialogue, then it could finally begin to sort itself out.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Y'all're just thinkin' it, I'm the only one with the BALLS to say it!"

-every stand-up with a cheap-n-easy racial schtick ever

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

so i watched some of that apology on cbs's site and oh man he is just wacked out. maybe its drugs. he's still pissed off!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Man, every time I'm in a movie theater and some black kids make noise, I think "What I'd really like to do is lynch them." Thanks for saying what I didn't have the guts too - I think this is the kind of honest racial dialogue we've needed to have for a long time.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Letterman asked Richards if he would have responded to the heckler in a similar vein if he had been of a different race.

"It may have happened," said Richards. "I'm a performer. I push the envelope. I work in a very uncontrolled manner on stage. I do a lot of free association — it's spontaneous, I go into character. I don't know. In view of the situation and the act going the way it was going, I don't know. The rage did go all over the place it went to everybody in the room."

Richards seemed baffled by his own reaction on stage.

"I'm not a racist, that's what's so insane about this," he said.

The actor said that he went back to the club later that night and went on stage to "get back on the horse as they say." He said he apologized to as many people as he could after the incident, but some of the people he targeted had already left.

He added that he supports the people who complained to the press about his comments.

"They've gone to (the) press, as I think they should," he said. "I think it's important for the African-American community to make sure this kind of crap doesn't come about and I'm sorry that it happened."

"Having apologized, is there much more that you can do?" Letterman asked.

"I just have to do personal work," Richards replied.

Seinfeld thanked Letterman for giving Richards an opportunity to speak publicly about the incident.

"I've known him many years, and I know how he works on stage," said Seinfeld. "None of that justifies what happened. He's someone that I love and I know how shattered he is about this. And he deserves a chance to apologize, and that's all he wanted, and thank you for letting him come on."

The segment airs on "Late Show With David Letterman" tonight on CBS.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Maybe if the country began an UNCENSORED dialogue, then it could finally begin to sort itself out.

so you're suggesting that "50 years ago you'd be hanging from a tree with a fork in your ass" is a good place to start this dialogue?

just checking.

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

Audience members in the Ed Sullivan Theater, who were watching Richards on a screen, began laughing at Richards at first, thinking that the interview was a comedy skit, until Seinfeld admonished them, saying, "Stop laughing. It's not funny."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

Was thinking about Chappelle/Pryor/Murphy doing their white people observation bits when the dumb "reverse racism" gripe came up, and the thing is they usually come across as amused by, baffled with and/or creeped out by the shenanigans of assorted square (and sometimes non-square) white folks but there's not an overtone of real contempt like you see in Larry the Cable Guy or Carlos Mencia or whatever that pseudo-Pesci-ass dude from Colin Quinn's show was named (or uh Colin Quinn while I'm at it). Maybe Richards' spaz-out was a feeble attempt to hop on that train or maybe gank Sarah Silverman's schtick but there's not much there that's "groundbreaking" or "dangerous" to defend, it's just too much hate and not enough comedy.

I should totally dig out this weird old late '60s comedy record I got a while back that is basically a totally rural Southern white dude making "I am a totally rural Southern white dude and confused at the modern world" jokes at the Apollo -- his name's Dick Davy and the album is called You're a Long Way from Home, Whitey.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

nate if you YSI that lp i promise to cut down to only 1 furry joke a week

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

if ever a YSI was appropriate, now is the time.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

okay who is dan bunnybrain? because he is a genius

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

dudes for god's sake quite responding to b. ganush

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

bit hard to respond to a banned dude

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

foreal???

― geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Cut back to Kramer at Anna's door.

GRANDPA (to Anna): I thought you said you was bringin' a white boy home! I don't see a white boy! I see a damn fool!

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

This whole thing is very strange, and potentially fatal to his career, but I think it's more a case of him showing incredibly poor judgement, as opposed to being a racist. I don't buy it as "irony" or whatever - he had a full-scale meltdown for reasons that haven't been fully explained yet. I never cease to be amazed by the power that word still has in America. I wonder if the same level of controversy would have been generated if he had berated the hecklers along racial lines without saying the "N" word?

― A black dude from Canada just trying to understand (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Well, more than anything he looked like he was having some kind of a breakdown.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

But yeah, obviously if he had had a meltdown but not implied that black people ought to be lynched and said "nigger" over and over again there would be less controversy. I don't see why anyone would find that surprising.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

(find surprising the amount of controversy because of what he said, I mean)

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Dude this record is wild, Davy's talking about how the FBI seems to crack down on draft card burners easier than they catch church burners, and how when Juan Marichal clocked Johnny Roseboro with a bat he should've been arrested for impersonating a police officer. YSI coming in about an hour.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

f'reals. xpost

1:06 PM, 20 Nov 06 locked user Uri Frendimein by electric sound of jim [and why not] (nude spock)

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

- A black dude from Canada just trying to understand ([email protected]), November 21st, 2006.

Oh, and also, hi Bobby Ganush!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

the sept 11 comment is less funny now that i know

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

hurting, julien is real

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ah ok. Sorry then Julien! I over-read-into "Juice Rocks" as some kind of racist joke by Bobby.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

"so you're suggesting that "50 years ago you'd be hanging from a tree with a fork in your ass" is a good place to start this dialogue?

just checking."

That's a good place to start. Let it all hang out, kids.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not a racist, that's what's so insane about this," he said.

oh shit!

jaymc, nude spock, stet: YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!

SORRY DUDES!

LOCK THREAD!

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

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