THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

which is not to say that Martin's dialogue and character stuff is always 100% stellar material but I'd still argue that there has been a marked fall in quality in those aspects of the show since the tv guys started trying to do it for themselves

q about the theory of jon snow's rumoured parentage - if it's true, who left alive could possibly know about it?

well even if book six comes out before season six, you're gonna have to deal with five or so years of the show having been finished and the spoilers being a part of general culture before book seven comes out and presumably wraps things up

q about the theory of jon snow's rumoured parentage - if it's true, who left alive could possibly know about it?

meera and jojen's dad, howland reed, was with Ned when he made a promise to his dying sister

Yeah one would expect howland reed to tip up at some point and explain that stuff.

clay, I expect we move in different circles but honestly I anticipate no real difficulty in avoiding major GoT spoilers amongst my current group of friends.

Tbh I am not so much bothered by the idea of eg Tyrion meeting dany so much as I have hankered after those scenes since p. early in the books and I suspect that Martin would do a better job of it than the show writers.

Maybe I'm being naive but im not really content to shrug my shoulders and accept that this is the way it
Must be from now on, would sooner insulate myself from the show and be patient now

ehhh sorry that is all rubbish and i'm having difficulty articulating what i mean, basically i reckon i could avoid Game of Thrones spoilers if I tried to do so and I am seriously thinking that that is exactly what I am going to do from now on bcuz basically I think the show-runners/writers/whoever are ruining scenes that I've been waiting to read for a number of years now, of which "Tyrion meets Daenaerys" is just one

RIP Stannis

The director explained that actually showing the death would have felt “gratuitous.”

lol ok

So Maisie Williams is on the next season of Doctor Who -- does that mean Arya dies?

Absolutely

Did she get her hair cut?

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tumblr_nqxexloObr1rubttio1_400.gif

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/jon-snow-lives-kit-harington-spotted-in-belfast.html

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/01/game-thrones-ian-mcshane

I bring this to you in the hopes that somebody can figure out who he's meant to be

Well, they're past the books, unless he's meant to be someone from the iron isles.

Cool

euron greyjoy or maybe outside chance randall tarly, but he'd be too good as euron to miss that chance

Yeah, Euron seems like the most obvious choice.

he's the new rickon. they've aged him a little like the rest of the kids

apparently he'll barely be in it which makes randall tarly a possibility (if i was al swearengen i'd be incredibly disappointed if samwise tarly was my kid) but maybe they're going to have just enough greyjoy stuff in it to deal w/ those plots. mcshane as euron would have the effect of actually making me kinda look forward to that plot.

btw i don't know if anyone mentioned it but io9 had this thing w/ asoiaf fan theories. some obv, some daft, but some were really interesting and clearly supported by the text. thinking esp of the one w/ magic and the citadel (which in some ways seems to be the secret main plot of the series) but also that the northern houses really were conspiring against the mad king well before rhaegar 'kidnapped' the stark girl or before the mad king went off.

Link? Couldn't find it...

i think this was it, i went down some wormholes afterwards - http://io9.com/all-the-game-of-thrones-fan-theories-you-absolutely-nee-1629544319

as a non-reader who's no longer bothered about book spoilers, what's euron's deal?

actually what i'm talking about is generally covered here - http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2012/01/05-southron-ambitions/index.html

i think this is what covers the maesters/reason/science vs magic/religion angle - http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2010/08/24_if_its_chains_you_want_/index.html

Thanks!

Realized McShane could be that maester at the Citadel who is the only one who believes in magic.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished.

:/

I'm fairly sure I have heard of a film that was being developed before the book was actually finished (not counting manga, I definitely remember it being a prose book).

On the one hand I believe that he's telling the truth that he has hundreds of pages, but on the other hand, I suspect he doesn't have a great deal of interest or incentive to actually finish any time soon, or possibly ever. I'm kinda with whichever blogger it was or will be that said or says he'll just write the novelization of the TV series from here on out

Really hope he at least has the plot sketched out (sounds like he does). It would be such a bummer if they just turned the TV show into an endless series. They sure have the financial incentive to do so.

I think actually the showrunners are insisting on keeping it shorter than both HBO and GRRM would like. I read somewhere that they want 7 seasons, and GRRM was kinda assuming they would use 10, so that he had some more years to finish.

HBO + DB&DBW have to take into consideration the rates and interests of their recurring actor staff - they can't afford to do 10 years, people are going to want to move on, or demand Seinfeld money, or just start growing up (as is already happening)

I suspect he doesn't have a great deal of interest or incentive to actually finish any time soon, or possibly ever.

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 January 2016 01:17

Ever? Why do you think that? All signs point towards him being extremely eager to finish.

if only to be left the fuck alone, yeah.

worth reposting: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/11/just-write-it

He should type up a whole bunch of outlines and then just outsource it to fans to write for him. Like Star Trek or something. Or serialize it! That would be cool, actually, if he published it in short volumes, like comics or prose, which allows for digressions and detours and also shorter bursts of creativity. He's hampered by the doorstop model, but that's just vanity at work. Go short, GRRM, go short!

if GRRM put out 20 page monthly chapter ebooks for a $20 yearly subscription, he would make his publisher a shit ton of money but i bet he'd hit a wall quick enough.

Nah, because any time he wanted to crank out some standalone story that's not related to the central mythology he could.

that would spiral in on itself and we'd have three years of an unrelated character gambling aboard a riverboat somewhere in Shaktarka or some shit

I think just writing for two books that might take another decade would be less frustrating than lots of increments that make bibliographical lists more complicated. Think of the bibliographies you savages!

he should just fuck it off completely and sit on his pile of money, who even cares any more

Evidently loads of people care.

ah the poor guy just doesn't want to write the damn book, it's been like 10 years, he's killing himself

it's been four years fwiw

And it's roughly the same pace as the other books, he is not a quick writer.

he wrote the first 3 in a shorter period of time (and they're the good ones)

it really does seem like his interest in completing the series has waned over time

I would think the burden of living up to fans expectations had a lot to do with that. Wonder if any writers are thinking "shit, I'd better write my entire series over 15 years then released them all in one go"?

Yeah I don't think it's a lack of interest. Just for some odd reason he never figured out the plotting beyond 1-3 and he's desperately trying to figure out how to keep the narrative together.