here's a vape thread for everyone to talk about vapitos shit because nobody else cares

i could prob advise on most stuff to do with this if ya want. got a good % of my smoker mates into it, and subsequently quitting real cigs.

top tip: make your own fluids, v easy & works out about 5% of the cost of buying it readymade.

mother's milk is good, thick strawberry cream stuff, though might not work in your set-up as it's a thick gloopy fluid.

there's always gona be cringey crap about any new thing, just gotta ignore it.

Let's all come together and start a very subtle, well-designed, and good e-liquid company. Maybe this is out million dollar idea!

one of my friends is into this and the way he is constantly sucking on that thing like a baby pacifier is a bit disturbing.

x-post - I have a kanger pro-tank II. It might not work in there? The other ones I have from that company do. Hmmmm. That would suck.

Sorry. I'm totally fascinated by it though and am planning a stealth mission to a vape con to see if I can figure it out more.

fully support this endeavour. and while we're at it can we resurrect ilx grand scheme of infiltrating awesomeness-fest

i dunno, i see this whole 'look at how ODD it looks' is just the shock of the new. remember a whole lot of pisstaking of people using mobile phones when they first became affordable round the mid 90s. seems like that. what i love most is when grandads get into it, totally ditching all the 'is it ok, does it look daft, what will people think' junk around it, just doing it because it's a great mostly harmless vice, love that mindset. more ecig grandads pls

xpost, ah yeah that tank should work. that whole high-end stuff (suicide bunny, cosmic fog, etc) works best in a sub-ohm tank but that's a whole next level of nerdery that i dunno if we should go into on here. my favourite of the SB liquids is madrina, the melon one. spent months trying to recreate it, almost almost there i think (got MM sorted though)

i support this call for vaping grandads and now need to start a bad called exactly that

ugh "band"

x-post - yeah see that's where I get confused. can you explain in simple terms what a sub-ohm tank is? Also, dripping? I have no desire to get any nerdier or more into this stuff but I do want to know about it.

I've found that vista vapors seems to be a really high quality place for lower priced liquids. I'm waiting for a couple from there right now. They also let you boost the flavor or make your own blends and they're very reasonably priced.

ENBB - Mother's Milk was one of the first I tried that wasn't generic cherry or licquorice or w/e. I def liked it - not wild on it, but it was good. I might order it again sometime, now I am an experienced vaper-of-the-world. Not wild on the tattooed babe cupping her breasts on the bottle.

but I'm moving away a bit from US liquids, just bcz it's cheaper to get British ones here.

Maybe I'll start mixing my own? Feel no pressing need right now

I do not understand that word of sub-ohm dripping and that.

ok in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these (and you get the whole silly 'cloud chasing' shit). it's not really a relaxing toke, but there's something really satisfying about it, esp with these expensive fluids.

few things to know:
- you need to lower the nicotine in the fluids you use for this. im down to 3mg for all my stuff now, anything above 6mg will prob make you feel queasy due to the amount of nicotine in each toke.
- you need a battery strong enough to use them. you want one that goes up to 30w really. you can go higher but don't bother at this stage.

i'd give it a go, some people really love it and it's interesting at least.

basic set-up: get the kanger subtank mini (about £25 i think), and an istick 30w (again about £25) and fluid that's high vg (anything above 70 vg to 30 pg is good to go)

Yeah NI bring the nerdery I am interested

(xp thank you!)

don't bother about dripping, again in basic terms the sensation is mostly the same as using a sub-ohm but with a lot more messing about. if you're really into trying different flavours in quick succession without having to replace your coil or finish a full tank of fluid then it's worth looking into but i wouldn't bother.

ps. with the subtank mini you want your coils to be 0.5ohm

yeah so much of the aesthetic around ecig stuff is crass and bleugh. the biggest uk site, totally wicked, has this shitty little devil logo, like some 90s skater dude crap. plus all the suicide bunny cartoon porn crap. i do think this stuff will level out though

totally baffled by this stuff tbh. so it's basically tobacco companies co-opting tech developed by stoners as a way to stay ahead of plunging customer-base/legal problems?

hate to big up the enemy but reddit forums are really good for learning about all this. they're surprisingly fedora-free, mostly hobbyists spreading the knowledge

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know, and the majority of the (decent) kit/fluid companies are independent businesses

I'm telling you guys. This might be our big break! ;) That's one of the things that fascinates me. I want to figure out how it went down that route. The porny part is mystifying too and I don't really get all the cloud pics I see on IG. It's not sexy, it's just weird? I guess people will turn anything into a fetish though so I shouldn't be all that surprised at all.

I was, however, quite surprised that I couldn't find any evidence of Faygo flavored ejuice.

Yeah, most of the fluid companies and hardcore vapers seem to be very anti big tobacco.

Yeah I looked at reddit (I feel really deep down the rabbit hole) but they were all ohms this and coils that and wicks and builds and my eyes just kind of glazed over.

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

so my confusion about this thread similar to marcos' basically

yeah it's a shame that the public image of this stuff is all fat guys in porn t shirts blowing big mounds of smoke. determined not to let normal people be put off by all that

I vaped weed before I vaped nicotine and I think that it's been a widely used stoner thing but I don't think it works by the same mechanism at all. I could be wrong there though. I just had a friend who had a week vaporizer and used it a couple times. I have no idea how it worked.

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

ha, i had one of those in the 90s. this is different though, involves heating cotton soaked in fluid containing nicotine & flavouring where as my one was just obliterating weed in a vacuum, like a full-on microwave. similar in the way it involves heat but a different mechanism. the exact process that took off was developed in china about 10 or so years ago, but there have been various similar ideas floating around for decades, none of them based around cannabis really.

this is worth a read, about the guy who invented the modern successful version:

Hon’s own moment of revelation came when he woke up one morning after a night full of bad dreams and realised he had been wearing his nicotine patch while he was sleeping. He came to think that the only satisfactory way to deliver nicotine alone in a relaxing fashion which might enable one to give up conventional cigarettes was through some form of smoking.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/09/hon-lik-e-cigarette-inventor-quit-smoking-dual-user

huh weird

there's another ecig thread on here, but it went down a (not-uninteresting) rabbit-hole of the rights and wrongs of addiction. worth a read though

Yeah I looked at reddit (I feel really deep down the rabbit hole) but they were all ohms this and coils that and wicks and builds and my eyes just kind of glazed over.

yeah, the learning curve for all that ohm, wick, coil stuff is v steep. took me a good while to get my head around it. im in the early stages of setting up a grandad style ecig guide site to counter all that, crazy how most stuff out there is either super advanced tech stuff, or dumb misinformation based around those disgusting disposable things. the middle ground shouldn't be as hard to get into as it currently is

Woof - I'm pretty much exactly where you're at with all this in terms of interest etc. though I'm sure you know more. Looking forward to getting the MM. I have a couple of the cheaper ones and expecting a peach/mango and cinnamon one from vista this week. They make them all up once you order and your name is printed on them which is kind of neat.

im going to be an asshole idgaf fuck this clown shit

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the existence of 'gothic vash' depresses the shit out of me. more classic shots here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324697/Meet-vapers-E-cigarette-craze-inspires-bizarre-new-sub-culture.html

although that article was the point where i thought, what is this thing? so three cheers for gothic vash and the daily mail, i guess

Trendy: The latest craze at a recent convention of vapers was the MoFaux, a plastic mustache attached to the tip of custom vaporizers

heh

Certain kind of person: Joe Petner, a New Jersey native, runs a website that caters to e-cigarette smokers, in addition to his main business of running several porn sites

What's the difference between an ecigarette and a vaporizer and do users of the latter look down on the former?

I feel like the answer to "Why is the marketing for this product so terrible" is found somewhere in head shops, High Times, and on-line poker websites.

What's the difference between an ecigarette and a vaporizer and do users of the latter look down on the former?

some people call the disposable ones that look like cigarettes 'ecigs' and the ones with separate parts (battery, tank, coil) 'vaporisers'. i call them all ecigs, dunno why, guess i hate the whole sci-fi bro from the future vibe around the word 'vaporiser'. the disposable ones are crap, taste like dust, just awful and have put tons of people off trying the better ones. from what i can tell, big tobacco are more involved in those ones. the tank/battery ones are the proper thing, taste great, can change strength, etc. although the dirt cheap versions of those are pretty bad too.

yeah i call it all ecigs. as do most ppl i know in the uk. i understand the political reasons people don't want to call it that.

i tried the disposable ones first around 3 years ago and it was terrible and i went back to smoking for ages. january last year i decided to give it another go and went to the stoner shop here in zurich. the shops is full of bongs etc but they seem now to do most of their business selling ecigs. they were v helpful and recommended a tank/battery device. but annoyingly you can't actually buy the nicotine liquid here. i either order it from croatia or buy it when i'm back in the uk.

enbb, I think we're almost exactly at the same stage, and I have been down the same rabbit holes, with the same repulsion/fascination with the aesthetics & community - I was tempted to go to the VAPE JAM UK expo to walk among the booths full of idealists/wide boys.

BTW for some madness of the scene in case you missed it, a vaping political party stood a couple of candidates in the UK general election - vapersinpower.co.uk (thank you Noodle Vague for finding that)

NI thank you for all that - so otm that the middle ground explanations are missing, like this:

in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these

Is the simple explanation that I'd wanted - forums, no matter how friendly (and they do seem to be), didn't really seem to manage it. I like tinkering with things - makes me more inclined to try.

http://i.imgur.com/qZEGs6U.png

the only thing that comes to mind when i see people with vape pens letting off these massive clouds of smoke is the candy/gum cigarettes i used to buy at the local five and dime that came loosely wrapped in a paper and swaddled in powdered sugar so that you could put them in your little kiddie mouth, exhale and let loose with a satisfying burst of cirrus saccharine

apparently vape juice/giant clouds leave a film on everything too. fucking gross. ppl on the vape reddit complaining about how they have to scrape their car windows regularly smh.

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lol

I don't buy disposables but can understand why a lot of young people are buying them. Soaking and cleaning the tanks in between coils can be a pain in the arse. And young people don't like doing the washing up.

So bad for the planet /dad rant

I gave up smoking cigs (roll-ups) about 15 years ago but since my kids have grown up, and our house has become a bit of a hang-out for dusty yutes, I've been having a go on a few vapes here and there. Stupidly bought my first disposable one the other day and can already feel it getting out of hand. Duh.

i'm seriously wondering whether this is antagonising my anxiety and whether i shd try and stop it. i'm not really heavy vaping, probably use it less often than i used to smoke, but right now i've got an unpleasant baseline anxiety at least half of my time and i'm willing to look at anything that might get that down. couple of months without cigs now tho so...sigh ffs

It’s a positive step!

But yeah that little nagging voice saying “have a vape”… not great

i'm thinking that the nicotine hit from the vape is probably adding to my anxiety in a different way than cigs do. not going back to smoking, just cautious about giving up the crutch altogether

I'd get into some anxious/wired states from vaping heavily and drinking too much coffee. I'm into going into my 6th week without vapes and onto a strict coffee a day diet. Although still a slave to the nicotine through patches and pouches, but down to 14mg per day now. I was having various health problems that I know was a combo of doing too much of various things, well booze as well to be specific. I feel much better now, and also some of that is down to not drinking for 4 days. I chose the perfect time to give up my vices because I can't even afford them anyway -yay! migration to Universal Credit - it's actually had a positive influence on my life!

Vaping got banned in Australia this year. It was never being well-policed, and a lot of schoolkids were vaping and in Melbourne there's a whole underworld war going on with vape/smoke shops being firebombed, so instead of going "hey maybe lets do our jobs better at ensuring this shit's only sold to adults" they just went "nope, total ban". You cannot buy any disposables, and the only liquids and pods/devices are if you get a prescription and buy them from an allowed vendor - they say pharmacies is one but afaict no chemists are selling any. I got a refillable pod device and some unflavoured ejuice from QuitClinics and then started trying DIY flavours using dropper flavour concentrates. Its messy and hit and miss and tbh I a starting to really go off the whole palaver.

Still, it got me off cigs, can't complain there.

NB the firebombing is also due to tobacco being so heavily taxed here that smokes are, I do not joke, upwards of $60 a pack.
So now the smoke shops all sell black market imports that skipped customs instead. And theyre having turf wars over it. Its like a mini-prohibition thing.

At my kid's middle school there's a lot of sneaky vaping on campus. Some parents vaping too while waiting in their cars at pickup.

That's crazy

A friend of mine was in town recently and wanted to buy some tobacco so we went to the corner shop and when he was told the price we both almost fell over. £23 for a pack of golden virginia! I have no idea how the shopkeeper knows which pack is which - no colours or design or logo or even brand name is allowed on the packs at all

xpost yeah vaping seems like a thing with kids pretty much everywhere unsurprisingly

less than 20 years ago you could get a big 50g packet of Drum baccy from bloke in local WMC for a fiver. When I was an underage smoker 10 Berkeley Superkings was 67p. Not surprised UK kids are vaping!

Yeah the packs are all plain here now too, with the ugmo cancer faces and rotted feet and all that crap. None of that bothered me - it was the prices that killed it for me, no one can be spending hundreds of dollars a week on smokes. Vapes cost me like $150 for a supply that'd last me 3 months or more (using pods). More so now, as I only vape when drinking and thats now only once a week.

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was looking at some pics on my phone, this was how ridic my vaping setup had become before I decided to stop (4 indoor guns on the go and I also had a lightweight pen for outdoor vaping).