THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

(er, that's obv "in the interest of NOT SEEING this thread added to the clusterfuxxor hall of fame")

Guys it's not worth it. I've seen Frederik lose his shit in another thread because someone spelled his name with a C

but i did all that typing ;_;

everything really is futile

"nothing isn't better or worse than anything, nothing is just nothing." - arya stark after some time itt

Haha.

What does Stannis' loss imply for the power of R'hllor?

Based on what they've shown in the past in terms of Lord of Light magic (trying to separate show logic from book logic), Melisandre sees visions of things, and that Stannis' defeat says less about the power of the lord of light than Melisandre's interpretations of what she sees/interpretation of prophecy?

I haven't watched the episode yet (exams to fail) but wasn't the idea supposed to be that burning whatsherface (I don't know why I can't remember her name) would help melt the snow? And is that not what happened?

Was the snow around the fire NOT melted? Checkmate atheists

You won't believe what this snowball tells us about the Lord of Light

#protip - he's not actually in the conference room

i don't think jon snow is really dead for good

I haven't watched the episode yet (exams to fail) but wasn't the idea supposed to be that burning whatsherface (I don't know why I can't remember her name) would help melt the snow? And is that not what happened?

― tsrobodo, Tuesday, June 16, 2015

sure. but mel also saw the bolton banners burning, which isn't what's yet come to pass. hm i guess the visions were nonspecific wrt when that might happen and whether or not stannis would be around for it. cf what happens when you make ~assumptions~

come to pass.

If only.

It stands to reason that they are nonspecific. Plus the Bolton's have to get shat on at some point visions or no.

What could have sold it better is if they showed that Melisandre had some kind of misgivings about the whole thing but I guess they're happy with her being endlessly inscrutable. I'd imagine most would think her mystique is played out at this point.

From Grantland's more fun than the show's Ask the Maester:

Brian asks: “Is Brienne of Tarth the ‘best worst’ personal protector of highborn in the realm’s history? Brienne obviously has fighting chops, but she continually fails those she’s sworn to protect, the latest example being the abandonment of Sansa in the finale. If I were in need of security, I think I’d be looking elsewhere at this point. What sayeth the maester?”

My main criticism of the “heroes” in Game of Thrones (and the ASoIaF books) is that, with a few notable exceptions, they are the dumbest people in the story. With that in mind, shout-out to Brienne of Tarth. You had one job: Look for the candle. And you couldn’t even do that.

Kinda curious, are there any other fans of the books out there that are thinking that this might be where they take a step back from the tv show?

I've just finished catching up on the final few episodes and although I don't feel that it was rubbish or a waste of my time or anything (ok, Dorne stuff aside), I'm definitely feeling that a number of things that have happened - Tyrion meeting Danaerys especially, but also Shireen burning, Barristan and Stannis and Myrcella all copping it - which would've been a billion times more enjoyable if I'd waited and actually read them in the next novel (this is assuming these things are gonna happen which like who the fuck knows right now i suppose) than watching them on the show.

idk. I was pretty turned off when I read the interview where the guys talked about spoiling book stuff in the TV show but I didn't really give it a lot more thought at the time. I pretty much watch this show out of habit and because other people do and it's something to talk about, but these final few episodes have had me just starting to realise that I totally do NOT want to ruin what comes next in these books by exposing myself to the occasional important plot point interspersed with their fuckin feeble attempts to fill in the gaps without recourse to Martin's volumes of dialogue and character stuff

which is not to say that Martin's dialogue and character stuff is always 100% stellar material but I'd still argue that there has been a marked fall in quality in those aspects of the show since the tv guys started trying to do it for themselves

q about the theory of jon snow's rumoured parentage - if it's true, who left alive could possibly know about it?

well even if book six comes out before season six, you're gonna have to deal with five or so years of the show having been finished and the spoilers being a part of general culture before book seven comes out and presumably wraps things up

q about the theory of jon snow's rumoured parentage - if it's true, who left alive could possibly know about it?

meera and jojen's dad, howland reed, was with Ned when he made a promise to his dying sister

Yeah one would expect howland reed to tip up at some point and explain that stuff.

clay, I expect we move in different circles but honestly I anticipate no real difficulty in avoiding major GoT spoilers amongst my current group of friends.

Tbh I am not so much bothered by the idea of eg Tyrion meeting dany so much as I have hankered after those scenes since p. early in the books and I suspect that Martin would do a better job of it than the show writers.

Maybe I'm being naive but im not really content to shrug my shoulders and accept that this is the way it
Must be from now on, would sooner insulate myself from the show and be patient now

ehhh sorry that is all rubbish and i'm having difficulty articulating what i mean, basically i reckon i could avoid Game of Thrones spoilers if I tried to do so and I am seriously thinking that that is exactly what I am going to do from now on bcuz basically I think the show-runners/writers/whoever are ruining scenes that I've been waiting to read for a number of years now, of which "Tyrion meets Daenaerys" is just one

RIP Stannis

The director explained that actually showing the death would have felt “gratuitous.”

lol ok

So Maisie Williams is on the next season of Doctor Who -- does that mean Arya dies?

Absolutely

Did she get her hair cut?

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tumblr_nqxexloObr1rubttio1_400.gif

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/jon-snow-lives-kit-harington-spotted-in-belfast.html

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/01/game-thrones-ian-mcshane

I bring this to you in the hopes that somebody can figure out who he's meant to be

Well, they're past the books, unless he's meant to be someone from the iron isles.

Cool

euron greyjoy or maybe outside chance randall tarly, but he'd be too good as euron to miss that chance

Yeah, Euron seems like the most obvious choice.

he's the new rickon. they've aged him a little like the rest of the kids

apparently he'll barely be in it which makes randall tarly a possibility (if i was al swearengen i'd be incredibly disappointed if samwise tarly was my kid) but maybe they're going to have just enough greyjoy stuff in it to deal w/ those plots. mcshane as euron would have the effect of actually making me kinda look forward to that plot.

btw i don't know if anyone mentioned it but io9 had this thing w/ asoiaf fan theories. some obv, some daft, but some were really interesting and clearly supported by the text. thinking esp of the one w/ magic and the citadel (which in some ways seems to be the secret main plot of the series) but also that the northern houses really were conspiring against the mad king well before rhaegar 'kidnapped' the stark girl or before the mad king went off.

Link? Couldn't find it...

i think this was it, i went down some wormholes afterwards - http://io9.com/all-the-game-of-thrones-fan-theories-you-absolutely-nee-1629544319

as a non-reader who's no longer bothered about book spoilers, what's euron's deal?

actually what i'm talking about is generally covered here - http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2012/01/05-southron-ambitions/index.html

i think this is what covers the maesters/reason/science vs magic/religion angle - http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2010/08/24_if_its_chains_you_want_/index.html

Thanks!

Realized McShane could be that maester at the Citadel who is the only one who believes in magic.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished.

:/

I'm fairly sure I have heard of a film that was being developed before the book was actually finished (not counting manga, I definitely remember it being a prose book).

On the one hand I believe that he's telling the truth that he has hundreds of pages, but on the other hand, I suspect he doesn't have a great deal of interest or incentive to actually finish any time soon, or possibly ever. I'm kinda with whichever blogger it was or will be that said or says he'll just write the novelization of the TV series from here on out

Really hope he at least has the plot sketched out (sounds like he does). It would be such a bummer if they just turned the TV show into an endless series. They sure have the financial incentive to do so.

I think actually the showrunners are insisting on keeping it shorter than both HBO and GRRM would like. I read somewhere that they want 7 seasons, and GRRM was kinda assuming they would use 10, so that he had some more years to finish.

HBO + DB&DBW have to take into consideration the rates and interests of their recurring actor staff - they can't afford to do 10 years, people are going to want to move on, or demand Seinfeld money, or just start growing up (as is already happening)