THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

max i don't think the points sloth and Frederik were debating hinged on internal consistency, more of an order of events and character locations hang up.

It's entirely plausible that in the books Stannis will lay siege to Winterfell rather than be slaughtered upon arrival, so he will have time to send for his daughter when he gets desperate.

In the books, both armies are pretty much stuck in a snowstorm, waiting for it to clear up, right? The idea that they will then wait for Shireen to turn up, to burn her, to do... what? In the books the snowstorm is the biggest problem. For Shireen to get there, the snowstorm has to stop. Why would he then burn her? Also, Ramsey already sent a raven saying that Stannis is dead, and Shireen hasn't gone there yet. He's lying, if they have to burn Shireen first. So SPOILER.

Maybe she stays alive.

But then the showrunners are lying. (I read that the people assisting GRRM with the books were PISSED that they 'spoiled' that the daughter-burning scene would take place in the books as well.)

I'm sure he'll figure out how to work it in nicely.

Here: http://www.salon.com/2015/06/14/stop_defending_game_of_thrones_how_hbo_gutted_the_stories_i_love/

the books and the show are different and that's okay and people should just accept that imo

something that would be worth pointing out, by contrast, is that it seemed like stannis went from father of the year to child-burner in what didn't seem like a ton of time, bc it relates to the inherent nature of a character as it was established and played out - those sort of inconsistencies are what bothers me, when they occur.

I don't see this as inconsistent at all. Stannis has constantly been shown as being all-consumed with becoming the king; sacrificing his daughter, even though it did hurt him to do so, seems entirely in character to me, particularly after murdering his brother several seasons ago by having extramarital sex that lead to the birth of a killer smoke monster.

Well, his rival brother is a little different than his beloved daughter.

Overall, the time between loving father with large strong army to desperate commander of dwindling army that burns his beloved daughter alive felt a little short. If that's what sloth was getting at.

^^^yes that is correct, "inconsistency" is not the proper word for that particular issue

Overall, the time between loving father with large strong army to desperate commander of dwindling army that burns his beloved daughter alive felt a little short. If that's what sloth was getting at.

I don't even know if I'd call him "loving"; their scenes definitely could be read that way (and Shireen's reaction reinforces that reading), but it could also be read as "possessive". He cares about her because she is his; because she is his, he will fight anything that tries to take her away from him but is also willing to make a decision that would call for her sacrifice.

Every action he's taken thus far has been in service of making the kingdom his; he's never made a choice that could be read as stepping back from that goal. Even before, when he balked at sacrificing his daughter, he had access to another young person of his blood line that could be used to fuel the magic Melisandre was casting plus he had other options at his disposal that could be considered forward progress. When he burned his daughter, the only choices presented to him were sacrifice her or turn back from Winterfell. I don't believe there's anything in the way Stannis's character was drawn that makes any path other than sacrificing Shireen the logical, inevitable choice, and furthermore I thought they did an excellent job of showing how that choice weighed on him as she died.

I don't get why people keep pointing out that the show and the books are different. That's not really the point. I'm not complaining that the show is changing things, but that their changes are nonsensical.

Also, if the show and books are separate, then it's pretty hypocritical of the showrunners to hide behind the books when they do controversial things, as in the link I just posted, right?

Really, I'm complaining because the only thing I like about asoiaf is the world building, and the show consistently dispels with that in favor of boobs and rape. What does Stannis' loss imply for the power of R'hllor? I have no faith in D&D to have thought about that at all.

Game of Boobs and Rape

Game of Gropes

What does Stannis' loss imply for the power of R'hllor? I have no faith in D&D to have thought about that at all.

― Frederik B, Monday, June 15, 2015

not sure why it's so important that this be established definitively at this juncture or made the subject of some long onscreen hashing-out. melisandre looked appropriately shook when she arrived as castle black but we also know the game ain't done and it's p likely bolton banners will burn before it's all over. gods do things in their own ways...

not sure why you're quoting me when you're discussing made up viewpoints far from what I'm talking about?

Because your words are like honey

Game of Rape and Honey

um... because I am addressing your question?

Not really?

If my words are like honey - and I agree, they are, and the finest of honey, from the vast flower fields of the reach - why put different ones in my mouth? Especially since those words are like overcooked smallfolk barley stew.

haha wow okay ttfn maybe check back when they adapt http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Ice-Fire-Westeros/dp/0553805444 for the teevee

http://www.clickhole.com/video/watch-these-amazing-fan-reactions-shocking-game-th-2645?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=twitter

dunno why i posted that in this thread, no book spoilers that i am aware of

I don't understand what just happened upthread

not to at all diminish fred b whose english is flawless but i think there might have been a 2nd language confusion, in sense at least

afaict Fred B expressed lack of faith in the showrunners having fully considered a question that is currently in D) Not enough information state and then lost his mind?

rogermexico ate some poisoned honey and started hallucinating since he claimed I'd said. Happens all the time.

you should be happy when someone quotes you in their post: $$$$

But... he responded directly to words you actually typed and submitted? You asked a question and said the showrunners hadn't thought about it at all, rogermexico responded that it seemed that they had based on what was shown and that all the details didn't need to be put out all at once for them to show evidence of having considered the question you posed, and then... you said you never asked that question and accused him of putting words in your mouth?

Right now I'm just baffled as to what it is that you believe you said because it appears to be something completely different from what you actually said.

He quoted half a post. And answered: not sure why it's so important that this be established definitively at this juncture or made the subject of some long onscreen hashing-out. Which I'd never said it was.

He completely strawmanned my objections, and I stopped taking him seriously.

So basically this show has made you ridiculous

have u considered these objections may be... ~made~ of straw?

x-post: Seemed like the aptest reaction.

He quoted half a post. And answered: not sure why it's so important that this be established definitively at this juncture or made the subject of some long onscreen hashing-out. Which I'd never said it was.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, June 16, 2015

so you have no faith that the showrunners have considered a question you don't need to see answered, is how i break it down to an extent.

rogermexico: If you feel my objections are worthless, then why don't you shut the fuck up? Why you need to state that? I don't think they're worthless, somebody else might not think they're worthless. Get the fuck out of the conversation, wouldn't that be the best use of everyone's time? You're a moron. I complain that they take something that makes sense in the books, and fuck it up for the show. That does not mean I demand they then spend more time explaining what they did. It means I dislike that they fucked it up. Is that so hard to understand?

take a breather m8

its just some dragon bs

its for fun

Perhaps if you didn't quote and respond to half of what I write, you would understand all of it? You're a worthless troll, and you're displayname is an insult to pynchon-fans.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2bof7RJkM1qkogoeo1_500.gif

wont someone think of the pynchon fans

its for fun

― lag∞n, 16. juni 2015 19:10 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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its a good show i like it

D'oh...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator.gif

That's funny, because I thought Breanne was going to be all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJoM7V54T-c