Clusterfuck Summary Corner 2 - Back on the Corner

PC music

a few things but maybe the most simple explanation is 'imago'

certain amount of content when hipster racism {(c) carmen van kerckhove} was at issue then just lj being even more thick than usual when it went back to aesthetics

trying chivalrously to plead in mitigation for a shit racist was a fool's errand but the aesthetic idiocy was so dispiriting because of all the shit music in the world, pc music has enough paratextual grist to make a competent defence for

see for example

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/pc-music-are-they-really-the-worst-thing-to-ever-happen-to-dance-music-clive-martin-017

nb this is an argument about the argument not an invitation to reopen it here

appreciate the comprehensive response ty folks

Meh, no-one is convincingly energised about the "hipster racism". It's really just an endless debate about whether PC Music music is good or shit.

oh thanks nakhers! too kind

tbh my mistake was to eventually in sheer frustration (after thomp made some brilliant posts that were almost completely ignored) make it about the paratext (their 'youth' and experimental outlook) rather than the music, which is perfectly defensible in an aesthetic sense; that clive martin thing largely keeps it to that and uses the paratext as a means of fleshing out the arguments against

anyway, you take away my aesthetics and what have i left, this is bloody murder

dick pics?

nor did you engage with the thomp posts beyond saying how brilliant they were, any earnest wall of text containing a defence of something you like appeals to your vanity even if its author disclaims association with you and employs different rhetoric

sanctimoniously upbraiding other people who didn't engage with it is absurd but then you did the same in reference to

i) people failing to empathize with racists
ii) and the particular difficulties young haut-bourgeois racists have by virtue of their natural naivete about difference
iii) people failing to appreciate the vigour of youthful music (= music you like made by people age 0-70)
iv) and failing to appreciate pop music as such
v) and failing to appreciate para-pop music made by partially educated morons in particular
vi) people failing to credit 'sorry this is just how i feel' and other last resort appeals to your own authority that are not immediately persuasive outside of your own mind

the paratext is important here because the litany of justificatory material published by pc music themselves allows an apologist to reply to 'they sound like shit' with elaborate false-consciousness arguments for why they sound shit only to the uninitiated; you edged onto this territory but failed for lack of tact, cold blood, and knowledge of pop music (relative to your dissenters)

ah now if only my university professors had employed your methods

if you were a congenital moron it would be different but you can do a lot better (that is if you want to make a good case for the objects of your affection, if you want to provide endless 400+ post cadenzas of nonsense then continue as is)

i suppose the lesson here is to not upbraid unless you have sufficient ammunition to support the upbraiding - i came to the fight underprepared, and improvised badly in my huff, appealing to some inculcated suspicion of naivete without considering whether naivete is a) a laudable attribute or b) whether the hipster racism, let alone the para-pop music, was even particularly naive

i wasn't trying to set up a false consciousness argument, merely assert that the stock position of no-caveats dismissiveness didn't allow for the possibility of the music having any merit external to one's experience - perhaps a touch more sangfroid and nakhic hardasstrelsy could have suited this purpose, rather than the simpering assertions of musical quality it got

your tough love is i suppose appreciated, and i am not too proud to refute the position of student

and improvised badly in my huff, appealing to some inculcated suspicion of naivete

don't care about any of this but wanna say as someone much less smart than you who loses many arguments this particular tack was totally crazy

the problem w/ the imago ilx project is that the seams show too often it's obv the production values are suffering

youthful music (= music you like made by people age 0-70)

lol

xp - he should have gone with nudity so the cgi was less noticeable

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/WidowOfDestiny/Jiggle_Panda.gif

feeling bad you're not the ilxor at the bottom of this pile-on?

this seems like a key moment, one for the ages

lol I'm hardly ever at the bottom of the pile-on nowadays Mordy

like 400 posts abt gawker

ilxors working for a morally suspect company/publishing garbage

afaict I dunno why anyone would actually read Gawker

they are bored at work, presumably

but yeah i always assume that thread gets so much traffic cuz max works there but if someone wants to expand on jigglepanda.gif...

J0rdan also works there and penned a particularly "controversial" piece of little journalistic value (according to p much everybody)

supernova

Just realized this is on moderator request forum, not moderator discussion forum.

― how's life, Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just realized this is on moderator request forum, not the mod board.

― how's life, Friday, July 17, 2015 6:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

controversial mod edits!

this is so lame ilx clusteys shld be because of ilx shit not stuff ilxors post on their trashy gossip sites

the ban max and j0rdan thread could have been one of the top ~10-15 clusterfucks of the year, why'd you guys have to stifle it with watercooler chat and good-natured ribbing? *pours unpopped popcorn kernels back in the carton*

it could have been the top clusterfuck of the last 2 or 3 years rly, but then ciderpress happened

ban ciderpress

he's like teflon

if u cared that much ud register

banning is only the beginning

On the Gawker thread 5 days ago Max got all hardman saying journalistic standards were bullshit. Now we're all LOLing.

now we're all craving fermented apple juice

peach cider is pretty dope too, and it is peach season

millions of peaches
peaches for me

too sweet imo but who am i kidding i'd drink car battery acid right now

actually i sound more dipso than i feel it's just, y'know, it's hot and i want the crisp clean taste of ciderpress

I'm actually drinking battery acid right now! Well Smirnoff Ice tbh but same thing practically.

proposed thread namechange to Clusterfuck Cidercooler 2

fuck, Clusterfuck Summery Cooler 2, even

Anyone got any bamboo?

millions of peaches
peaches for me

forget ciderpress, we know who the real monster is

*pours unpopped popcorn kernels back in the carton*

― stoomcursus rockisme (unregistered), Friday, July 17, 2015 6:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this made me lol irl

deej is posting on the gawker thread fyi

Anyone defending biden in freddy b's stead?

oh tombot was also on the Freddy b thing but somehow missed the heat iirc?

gonna post this here for reference and not in the appropriate clusterfucked thread

my thinking since early 2017 was that the 2020 Dem ticket would be Biden/Warren
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, December 31, 2018 6:23 PM

oh tombot was also on the Freddy b thing but somehow missed the heat iirc?

joe biden?

― mookieproof

got nothing for you on this one

good job y'all

Where is the clusterfuck?

Less heralded follow-up to Where's Waldo

^^^here he wanders in all innocent

fwiw having been involved in about 5 heated ilx threads today i don't think any of them has become a full-on clusterfuck, not even when i bade a bunch of music critics pivot to video

Judging by the roof styles I think it may be somewhere on the Adriatic?

Less heralded follow-up to Where's Waldo

― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Monday, July 27, 2020 3:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

^^^here he wanders in all innocent

― imago, Monday, July 27, 2020 4:00 PM bookmarkflaglink

i actually had no idea! I've been at work all day and didn't have time to read threads until just now. :(

about 5 heated ilx threads today

Tbf, my apartment is basically a sauna right now.

What's going on in the cluiche ceannais na heireann thread

― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 18 September 2017 00:04 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

did you ever get that sorted

Zappa thread?

ship arrived too late, iirc

some student with a flare gun burned the place to the ground

stupid

zappa thread is entirely amiable tho only of interest currently if you like (or dislike) allan holdsworth

in my day, anything with 338 posts was a real clusterfuck, and we kicked balls in the street

these days it's like 12 people getting excited about something

excited is wild hyperbole in this case

"mildly enthused"

new borad description

What is the correct way to count the beat on Ludacris' "Roll Out"?

what on earth is going on in here

Drake the Board Lawyer is a viking