So I mean I guess I shouldn't have said "strong technically as a comic" -- "comic" means a lot of things. I guess I mean I think neither is strong in the classical mode of, you tell a joke, people laugh.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
last week there was a WTF interview with one of Amy Schumer's writers, Kurt Metzger, where he mainly talked about running afoul of Jezebel and other sites, and online campaigns to get Amy to fire him.
idk if this was meant to be relevant to the point at hand but i just looked at some of the stuff they ain't like him for and man, he seems like a total dick
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
prob the relevant thing is that AS knows about that stuff too and seemingly doesn't care. So perhaps she's not working just to feed hip websites
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
xp yea he seems like a jerk, I turned that interview off maybe halfway through
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
Schumer has definitely, for better or worse, gotten to where she is partly by gaining the acceptance and friendship of the scuzzy tough guy Comedy Central Roast wing of the standup world, and sometimes it's hard to tell what the disconnect between her material and their more misogynistic stuff means -- does she excuse it, does she tolerate it, does she separate the art from the person, etc.
one funny thing that happened after the Twelve Angry Men episode:
somebody had the amusing idea to rank the men in the episode by attractivenesshttp://flavorwire.com/517424/inside-amy-schumers-12-angry-men-ranked
and Nick DiPaolo responded in a way that suggested he kiiiiiinda didn't understand the point of the episode he was a part ofhttps://twitter.com/pilotbacon/status/596001366910304256
― fetty wap, kombucha, where to trap queen (some dude), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
I dont see much of a critique in her material, baffled by that interpretation tbh.
(I dont know any moms that like her fwiw but will conduct more scientific survey and report back)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
the p., v. d. in the c.
waht
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
you don't see any critique of male attitude towards women in Inside Amy Schumer? how much of this show have you watched again?
― fetty wap, kombucha, where to trap queen (some dude), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
There's some of that yeah but thomp explicitly claiming a much broader critique
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
I've seen some posters in the subway, am I entitled to strong opinions about the show?
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
And i think she indulges and exploits male gaze as much as she critiques it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpsI8mWKmg
only a little critique here
― DJP, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
She's a-ok w the racism dominant in the culture industry, for ex.
Xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
How so?
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
the p., v. d. in the c.waht― example (crüt), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:59 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― example (crüt), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:59 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Crut, it took me a while too. ""women in their late 20s and early 30s who share the politics and values dominant in the culture industry".
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link
I misread it initially as "the p., v. c. on the t's."
― DJP, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
fair
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
ohhh, thank you!
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
dominant values, daring assumptions
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
lol djp i read it as piv
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
i think she's kind of basic? like all those mommybloggers who call their sites 'mommy needs vodka' or whatever. but, you know, i might feel differently if all the content mills out there weren't going all hyperbolically nuts on her every move, especially the most norm-reinforcing ones, like the recent speech where she's like 'i'm 160 lbs and i can still get laid!' great, have a cookie? or don't, it might push you to 161.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
also, would she have any traction at all if she didn't fit the female beauty norm in every way that wasn't the size of her upper arms? let's be real here.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
It will be interesting to see how her material evolves over time. Right now, she's writing almost entirely for people like herself - women in their late 20s and early 30s who share the politics and values dominant in the culture industry. (Similarly, Louis CK writes for people like himself - middle-aged men at sea in a world that cares less and less about them with each passing day.) Schumer's material is targeted at an audience that writes lots of thinkpieces for high-profile web outlets, so she's having a moment. The interesting question is, what will a 35- or 40-year-old Amy Schumer talk about? Are there (m)any female comedians aiming at a middle-aged female audience? (I genuinely don't know.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This post is still killing me, btw.
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
why? it's not wrong.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
at least in its demographic points.
well yes things comedians say sound lame if you take out the parts that make them funny
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
wait huh? i read that to mean that her brand of comedy is very of a piece with a certain dominant aesthetic in online media.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
THE JEZEBEL EFFECT IS REAL.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
(lol)
anyway whatever i just feel like she's being hailed for being a lot more revolutionary than she actually is. i'm not so into the slight update of gender norms ('look sexy but with stuff from etsy that says 'KILL ALL MEN' on it !!' that is pop feminism in 2015, so kill me.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
1.) No, not exactly. No more than Key & Peele are writing for mixed-race men in their late 20s and early 30s.
2.) Her material is targeted at an audience who write lots of thinkpieces? Is that why it's on Comedy Central between the Ashley Madison ads?
3.) I dunno where to start. How about any successful comedian from SNL in the last 10 years who isn't Will Ferrrell?
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
oh cmon you can't think that 'virality' isn't part of a marketing plan these days
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
also sketch comedy is a pretty different world than sitcoms!
A John Oliver takedown of Amy Schumer would freeze my Facebook page.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Now THERE'S your online thinkpiece guy.
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
going to guess you don't read much media 'for women'
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
(and you shouldn't, it's mostly terrible and patronizing. ask polly is great though)
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
she made a lengthy sketch piece about income equality with a call to arms to visit the Institute for Women's Policy Research; that seems fairly revolutionaryhttp://notcoolwithit.com/
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link
i get the "why is she in every thinkpiece all of a sudden" backlash but a lot of her material really is clever and groundbreaking
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
not comparing her to him, but reading the recent Richard Pryor bio I'm amazed when ppl dismiss comedy purely on the basis of "unfunny subject matter." They'd get the torches out for RP and Carlin today.
(RP of course did terrible things to women offstage, but we can do that another time)
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
"norm-reinforcing ones, like the recent speech where she's like 'i'm 160 lbs and i can still get laid!' great, have a cookie? or don't, it might push you to 161"
The whole 160 lb. thing was supposedly a boxing metaphor and reference to a comment that Ellie Goulding (who had spoken just before her) made about punching above her weight in reference to whatever dude she's dating. I think people are making way too much about that comment considering it was supposedly just an off the cuff remark to something someone else said.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's these sort of things (ass also the birth control stuff) that play a large part in why I like her and think she's pretty great.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
The "Milk Milk Lemonade" video worked great in that fundamental way of taking something objectified everywhere in pop music and video and de-objectifying it.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
(ass also the birth control stuff)
err I have no idea how that typo happened - I meant to write "see also".
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
meh. i am bowing out of this discussion. it's ok to be left cold by things.
― maura, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
All great thoughts though, maura - whether she's basic or meta-basic.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
it's totally ok to be left cold by things of course and intelligent people disagree. i find her rolling pr campaign and media blitz WAY more annoying than almost anything she's actually done on stage/on tvi thought the "I'm sorry" bit was excellent toothe amy goes deep segments tend to be really worthwhile imo. conversations with folks in an open relationship, trans women, sex workers done as casual one-on-one bullshit over drinks opens up people outside of that accessible culture in, say, greenbrier tennessee to a big world that they otherwise can't really see.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
of course it's ok to be left cold by things!
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
She seems more important than funny. Glad she is substituting edgy/baiting comedy w important satire but her comedy is a bit heavy handed for me, I prefer a quicker wit a la Sarah Silverman.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
i'll admit i haven't been driven to see her recent viral hits because the praise has been more of the "finally! someone said it!" than the "LOL" - and she definitely came off a little eager-to-shock initially. but whether or not she's groundbreaking i think she's funny and think its cool she's getting a little more pointed - just hope it doesn't get to that margaret cho point where there's more applause than laughter. hopeful for that trainwreck movie.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link