THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

don't the thorne goons do a julius caesar on him? like, why would the show forgo the option of a mass stabbing?

they do indeed

i can see them forgoing it despite the undoubted shock potential mostly bc they don't spend /that/ much time dealing with crow vs. wildling suspicion compared to what's in the books, like in ADWD it's discussed in every single jon chapter p much, whereas in the show they've had a few ollie scenes, some dumb shit ser alliser says and some grumbling here and there

the kid is this season's chekhov's gun, he's getting screen time for a reason

just as he is about to shoot Jon, Bran worgs him from afar

I wonder if everybody thinks they're the first person to come up with the Ides of Marsh

am i right in remembering that for hardhome we never really get a description of the massacre, just like a letter back

and it talks about like 'white walkers in the waters' and possibly white walker fish and whales?

Just a letter.

At hardhome with six ships. Wild seas. Blackbird lost with all hands, two Lyseni ships driven aground on Skane, Talon taking water. Very bad here. Wildlings eating their own dead. Dead things in the woods. Braavosi captains will only take women, children on their ships. Witch women call us slavers. Attempt to take Storm Crow defeated, six crew dead, many wildlings. Eight ravens left. Dead things in the water. Send help by land, seas wracked by storms. From Talon, by hand of Maester Harmune

"Dead things in the water." is great

sooooooo in the "inside the episode" thing that plays after you watch the episodes on hbo go/now, david benioff said that GRRM told them the shireen death was coming, or at least had been an idea of his - presumably making that the second major instance of the show lapping the books after tyrion being by dany's side

Revealing that is a bit of a cop out. Kinda feels like he's saying, "I don't like this idea and couldn't think of a better alternative but at the same time I don't want to take the rap for it."

benioff said (paraphrasing) that he thought it worked for the story - that it was the logical hideous end result of stannis falling in thrall to the most extreme version of his religion - but that he hated filming it

could be at least a partial deflection though

"Well I can't completely throw GRRM under the bus having potentially spoiled a plot point from his unreleased book but I still have to give some indication that this development is anathema to my being."

hahaha, fair

really enjoyed how the meereen scene was done on a much larger/more interesting scale visually than it is in the books while it's also way less busy in terms of plot - eliminating the tedious "did hizdahr mean to give her poison locusts or didn't he etc. etc." thing, it was much more effective that way.

that said also reminds me of how there's no strong belwas!

strong belwas was a pretty good bit player

Feel like his presence would have tipped a lot of the Meereen scenes into absurdity but at the same time without him and especially now without Selmy, Dany feels ridiculously exposed.

true and shortly to have only tyrion and big homie daario protecting her what w jorah's incipient death

Grey Worm was probably supposed to make up the difference but having no stand in with everybody besides fake heartthrob dude gone seems like an easily fixable oversight.

I'm thinking that as they get closer to the end of the books staging scenes and introducing new characters in ways that don't cause confusion or mess with future continuity becomes painfully difficult. It's clear that GRRM puts a lot of thought into the little things so not having a chunky text there as a blueprint for how the details pan out has really shown in how loose the plotting has felt at times.

Boring season, all that I'm looking forward to now is to see if Dany gets the runs.

treason to talk about a khaleesi like that.

so next episode is Cersei walk of shame, Sansa/Theon escape into Camp Stannis, and Jon gets stabbed ?

that's what i've been assuming, although they haven't really done much to build towards the sansa/theon escape.

brienne will be involved somehow i imagine?

Brienne will eat Theon

it's gonna need a lot of set up in the episode one way or another. as far as we are aware brienne is sitting on her hands waiting to see a candle.

future plot Q: can the lord of light bring theon's cock back?

a god who can't or won't regenerate a severed penis isn't worth wasting your time worshipping imo

reasonable perspective

Theon's cock will grow back but it will be made entirely of flames

shadowcock

Theon's cock will look just like Stannis'

Game of Cocks

a dong of fire and ice

theon hotpocket

a dong of fire and ice

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:32 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was because he accidentally grabbed Bengay cream

Non-readers really missing out on this trenchant discussion, I feel sorry for them.

varys balls being harshly ignored here (is he really done this season?)

I think there's a strong possibility he goes back to king's landing to kill at least one of the two people he kills at the end of ADWD, or at the very least to foment discord in some fashion

Now that Shireen is burned what's gonna happen with the Gendry plotline? Is he ever coming back

lol

varys killing kevan would be a bit of an anticlimax if only bc k3v has been on screen for abt 30 seconds in the show as a whole. though with cersei's walk there's a chance they could reintroduce him in the finale and do away with him too.

dorne stuff must figure in significantly next season/next book -- otherwise what was the point?

Yeah, I kinda wonder as well when I see people disappointed in Dorne this season. What in the books made everyone excited to see Dorne?

dorne is the most significant political player involved in the targaryen restoration effort so i imagine it will have a v central role when dany and the fly in

fuck knows what the deal with the other supposed targ kid will be tho

seemed bigger than it is / more desert-y / more of a 'power' that could contend with King's Landing rather than just a handful of sand snakes and the gout guy

the show hasn't had the time or will to establish dorne and doran in the way the books did. even the books sort of took a while to get round to it. the targ plans reveal did a huge amount to make the dorne stuff seem less dumb and inconsequential in the books and that'll eventually happen in the show i expect.

But didn't the tart-plans sorta get eaten by a dragon over in Mereen? Nothing seemed to come from that either...

Targ-plans, stupid auto-correct.