its interesting generally how ppl are will to say things in podcasts they wldnt say in print but like its still public do they know
― lag∞n, Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:55 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Are you making fun of Kirkman for your own inability to follow one tweet to another?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
The guy who wrote that post does seem like I drip, so much hemming and hawing and buck-passing before ultimately doing the same basic thing gawker did
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:17 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol follow one tweet to another ok bud
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
when you drip I drip we drip
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
fwiw concerned ppl of this thread i understand what shes saying, the question is does what shes saying make any sense, it does not
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
What the fuck are you talking about lagoon
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
is english your first language
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
i mean i sympathize with her shes in exactly the uncomfortable spot she spoke about wanting to avoid, is lashing out incoherantly at people who speculated on what she was saying a good or appropriate responce, no
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
she wrote: "it only brought negativity to my podcast and anonymity is a thing I do on purpose."
so your "that wld bring negativity to anonymity" joke is an inability to follow one tweet to the next
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link
i understood what u were saying i just thought yr phrasing was funny in the context of someone not being able to read and so forth
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
you are weird
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
ur weird
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
let's say it is ck she's talking about and she's nervous about making it public bc it might damage her career. would that explain why she has pro-ck comments retweeted + posted all over her twitter feed?
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2a5c6ki.jpg
― Mordy, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
its prob just not him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
well she's tweeted plenty of praise for Chris Rock too so
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
maybe its neither of them
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
is there a third once-married on-his-grind new-material-every-time french filmmaker wannabe at the cosby level? unless she's talking opening for woody allen jazz dates i can't think of one
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
maybe the french film part is a red herring
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
yall i'm the comedian who masturbates in front of people
― Heez, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
to be clear, i sympathize with her - she's trying to describe a shit situation no one should have to deal with and at worst she's bad at blind iteming
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is all p weird but y'know people are complicated (also fwiw her new special is really funny)
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
Is Louis CK really as powerful as all that? Serious question here.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure he's powerful enough that publicly accusing him would be uncomfortable. he has friends, some connections, etc. otoh he seems like the kind of guy that if an accusation ever came out he might just admit & apologize. i def don't think he's as powerful as these stories are making him out to be - most powerful man in comedy? maybe standup comedy? how about like adam sandler or seth rogan or kevin james who have huge hollywood careers? or jeff dunham, russell peters, kevin hart, or terry fator? idk.
― Mordy, Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
I would say powerful mostly in the sense that his fanbase could make life a real pain in the ass for quite a while
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
But yeah if he ever tries to go negative on accusers about it that's the end of his rep forever
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Saturday, 30 May 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
dude is such a heroic figure to his scene and considering the crap that comes with making rape accusations about celebrity, making "he's creepy and showed me his dick" accusations would seem to ask for even more hemming, hawing and scrutiny from shitbirds (not to mention everything the fedora squad would get up to). and if he did say "yeah, i was a REAL CREEP around the time of my divorce, sorry i freaked anybody out and here's an hour about it" it would be In Character and quickly forgiven as clueless game-lacking, while the accusers would be known as The Women Who Couldn't Just Let Louie's Slip-Up Slide which would probably be toxic for a comedy career. It's just a shitty situation and there's likely no world where CK would be the one getting most of the shit, even though he'd be the one at fault.
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
to me, louis' power is more indirect than anything. i don't think there's anything unique about louis or his power -- it's more that he happens to stand at the precipice of an industry that is tightly knit and funnels talent upward in a pretty straightforward and traditional manner. it's true that someone like sandler or rogen or rock might be more famous, but i don't think those guys are as connected to the comedy scene as louis, and "comedy" and "stand up comedy" are not really all that separate. (i.e. as recently as 2014 louis headlined a funny or die stand up tour that he was probably way too famous to be a part of http://www.oddballfest.com/talent/). practically all talent in the "comedy" world comes from the stand up comedy scene (or the improv scene, which bleed together). even someone like seth rogen, who bypassed that route in his path to megastardom, is going to inevitably end up working with plenty of writers or whatever who make names for themselves thru stand up.
so anyway, i think the reticence of people in the comedy scene to explicitly talk about louis is less about something special to louis, and more about becoming known as the type of person who will break a circle of trust. being a whistleblower is a very hard thing and it takes a brave person who is willing to put their career at risk. it's not precisely about what louis ck could personally do to a whistleblower, but what being a whistleblower might say about you to the people who control your livelihood: talent agents, casting agents, booking agents, fellow comedians, fellow writers, people who scout for comedy central shows, people who scout for snl etc etc. hollywood does not care for the moral. plenty of industries -- white collar business, government, police forces etc -- will outright shun you if you reveal yourself as someone who will not keep certain secrets, and i think people feel like comedy -- and hollywood -- is like that too. and if someone is willing to stand up and say things about someone as important and beloved as louis ck, who won't they talk about?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
idk someone who didnt masturbate in front of ppl I spose
― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
yeah i think you're underrating the love for louis ck here, j0rdan, i don't think the industry is worried he'll reveal what carcosa means, people just don't wanna hear bad stuff about people they've ass-kissed
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
hierarchies are indeed self-protective but you don't have to be a jenga piece in something far more sinister to be protected
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Isn't Jordan saying some exec will be like "if she'll say this about Louis what might she say about me"
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Saturday, 30 May 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
tbose tweets /are/ incoherent. "bring negativity to my podcast"? sounds like she basically passive-aggressively outed the man who all but sexually assaulted her, but is upset that someone took the bait. mixed in there is her genuine surprise that something she might have thought was not "public" in the same way as say twitter has been harvested for a very public purpose. everything you do on the internet, esp. under your own name, is public! in any event i sympathize with her. if she didn't want to name him (even though she all but did) i'm not sure it's really all that necessary or responsible for either jordan to do so. w/o a victim willing to go on the record i'm not sure what purpose their posts serve. but this is not my "world" so i dunno.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
I like Jen Kirkman but she sometimes seems to think what she says in her podcast is magically limited to being heard just by her fans.
― Jim Gillette's unused octave (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:29 (nine years ago) link
yes, and admittedly i kind of overstated it. my point is that creepy uncles don't get away with shit because the rest of the family hates snitches or is necessarily made of creepers too. often they just don't want to look horrible by association and find it easier to pretend nothing creepy is happening. if dane cook or carrot top wiggled his dick at a hip female comedy duo, i think they'd be far more likely to publicly call him out, as fewer people of note like them anyway.
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link
this is the dark side of being 'cool', no? Ppl are afraid to say bad stuff about you even when it's the truth?
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
Good to know high school rules apply to the world of comedy
― Jim Gillette's unused octave (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
Good to know h
― da croupier, Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
CK and Maron both seem like guys who are figuring out their dark shit as a way of figuring out the dark shit of most of the white American dudes of their age. They're a bit too old to have gotten Free to Be...You and Me and Sesame Street in their early education. They both have pre-breakout standup representing the mindset of generally decent guys whose imagination has been a bit too shaped by porn. They've tried not to be shitty while letting their appetite run their actions, and they've seen a lot of comedian peers self-destruct in a dozen ways, and all of that awareness is front and center in their acts, their interviews, and their TV work.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:23 (nine years ago) link
I'm not saying it's right, just that this is what's going on. Lotsa ppl's moral compass seems permanently set at high school so it's not that surprising?
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:30 (nine years ago) link
Garfunkel and Oates are like "hey we never signed up to help Louis CK figure out his dark shit all over us, do that in the privacy of your own home, Louis CK"
― del griffith, Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:37 (nine years ago) link
Oh yeah, if there's bad actions to come to the surface it's fair that they do - just saying that I imagine these guys know it could happen. Unlike Cosby, it probably keeps them up at night.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:39 (nine years ago) link
Also, unlike Cosby, Louis CK didn't drug them
― del griffith, Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
How many people has Louis watched die in the show now? Double figures?
― nashwan, Sunday, 31 May 2015 11:25 (nine years ago) link
People he's watched die vs. women he's fucked
― Jim Gillette's unused octave (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 31 May 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
Upper DeckerIs this a thing?
― calstars, Sunday, 7 June 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
'tis.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Sunday, 7 June 2015 02:05 (nine years ago) link
On indefinite hiatus, Curb-style. good move imo (on a few levels)
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
he's helping produce a series for Pamela Adlon for FX, I like the sound of that
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
Yeah that's got potential.
― a poetic ODE to FORNICATION (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link