2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

and considering the pro-hillary camp's only argument is 'she is more electable' its even more hysterical that they would seriously consider not voting for obama if he is nominated

another scumbag is possible!

McCain or Hil would be proud occasion of my first prez nonvote

yeah get over yrself Shakey, your meaningless vote would still somehow part of the POWER STRUGGLE between two murderous political gangsters who badly need sh**ting.

morbs, you have lowered the bar yet again

lol @ "the clinton camp" having "one argument"

"camp" = 12,637,963 people

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/03/26/hil_obama_finalv2.jpg

lol @ "the clinton camp" having "one argument"

"camp" = 12,637,963 people

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:17 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

im talking about in this thread

lol @ tracer conflating standard campaign terminology w/belittling 12 million voters

AGH NO NOT THE HILBAMA HYBRID !!!!!!

SO TERRIFIED RIGHT NOW!!!!

MODS HELP!

Shakey, you are using the people who will actually vote here in SF for the Democratic candidate in November as means to your own end, namely keeping your cosncience clean while preferring not to have McCain president. (I assume. Please correct me if I'm incorrect.) As one of those future voters, I demand to be treated with greater dignity and respect. ;)

dudes hils not getting the nom dont sweat it

i mean, if she does win the nom then we're fucked because she'll be painted as ruthless nomination thief and gosh there's good old john-boy he looks honest

she's not winning the nom

which thread is that exactly xp

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:12 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Taking Sides: "Do They Know It's Christmas?" vs "We Are the World"

we need to put this conscience vote thing to bed:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185040.php

In any case, I'm not saying they're interchangeable. Whichever you prefer, they're actually very different candidates. What I am saying is that no one can run away from the choice every American with the franchise will face in November. The next president will either be John McCain or the Democratic nominee. That's an immovable fact. Not voting or voting for some protest candidate doesn't allow anyone to wash their hands of that choice.

Now one reader, TPM Reader KK, wrote in and said that he supports Obama, isn't a Democrat, actually doesn't agree with a number of Obama's policy positions but believes he could change the tenor of politics in the country and through his election help shift the rest of the world's view of the US. For KK, if Obama doesn't win the nomination, I guess there really might not be any particular reason he'd vote for Clinton over McCain.

But I do not believe this is the case with the great, great majority of readers of TPM who are supporting either of these two candidates. I think most are Democrats or Democrat-leaning independents who ascribe to a series of policies now generally adhered to by members of the Democratic party. People for whom that applies have to decide whether the alleged transgressions of either candidate or their differences in tone, political style and so forth are so grave and substantial that they merit electing John McCain who stands on the other side of basically all of those issues.

--Josh Marshall

I'd have more respect for somebody who votes McCain than for anybody who thinks staying home is the "conscience" move

MW makes a good point.

Josh Marshall needs to learn what "ascribe" means.

you could email him

i would like to ascribe to his blog

I could write, but would he ever wristband?

I think he only engages with people who tow his line.

I'd have more respect for somebody who votes McCain than for anybody who thinks staying home is the "conscience" move

It's not a "conscience" move – how 'bout I just don't want HRC in the White House with Bill Clinton again?

We put up with it twice, and I don't want it again.

how bout suck it up and don't be a dick?

(it doesn't matter; she's not gonna win the nom anyway)

But I don't know, I mean, I don't want to disintegrate the guy.

xposts

no one said anything about staying home

"dickless" is voting for HRC for any other reason than installing another Democrat in the White House.

I would rather read TPM than the hinge-swinging screeds posted at Daily Howler, Tracer.

I'm suddenly curious to know what exactly you had to put up with during Clinton's presidency, Alfred?

"Hinge-swinging"! That's good! I have no idea what it means but it's evocative.

i mean i admire when people have principles, you know, but really????

How come we didn't hear about this a month ago?

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2493

tmp is awz - they do great original reporting - its like a little newspaper inside a blog

Maybe they could pass a law requiring everyone to vote for a major party candidate.

Q. Do you not have the option of spoiling your ballot in America, therby indicating your willingness to participate in the democratic process while rejecting the choice of candidates?

tracer: like a wonky door, maybe? i dunno, i was going to say "unhinged" but that would be unkind but there is some coherence to the howler, it's just melodramatic and written in a tabloidy fashion

Clinton: "(A)s you know so well, Mark, every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose. We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1725514,00.html

im going to vote sinbad for that courageous time he survived bosnian sniper fire

one day i hope to see through my bias, to have a concrete objective understanding of why right wing sites always LOOK LIKE COMPLETE SHIT AND ARE NEVER FUNNY

he, too has already been in the white house:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XT7E0JM7L._AA280_.jpg

and have dipshit names, too. 'scrappleface'??

xp

every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose. We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment.

thats technically true except the campaigns pick the delegates - and they pick steadfast supporters

camp hillary just trying to blow smoke like its less over than it is

I'm suddenly curious to know what exactly you had to put up with during Clinton's presidency, Alfred?

lololol are you for real

jhøshea do they actually do much original reporting besides scandal stuff? A few years back, Josh Marshall supposedly had this gigantic exposé of the Italian intelligence documents that ended up in the State of the Union; he stretched out the drama for weeks, kept referring to things he "couldn't say at this time" etc. but it just sort of fizzled? Beyond that it seems pretty standard beltway scandal sheet stuff. Which is a real service if you're into that, I guess.

melodramatic and written in a tabloidy fashion

This is exactly why I love it!

Hoos I AM FOR REAL.

^^^this

if Hils get the nom (which isn't gonna happen anyway barring some unforeseen disaster) I believe I will go with my previously stated fallback choice: Sun Ra. Or maybe Jeremiah Wright haha. I will not be "staying home" (I'm sure there'll be other shit on the ballot for which my vote will actually matter)

errr many x-posts ("this" was ref'ing deej)

aside: based on recent conversations, i think my mom dislikes michelle obama even more than she dislikes hillary, which i didn't think was possible. "she seems angry" lol typical white mom

tracer, marshall & co. just won some awards for their coverage of the attorney firings

michelle obama is a milf