MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

Hey I was there in the 70s, it was not a Coke ad, well not always.

i feel like they had at least two conversations like that already though

he wanted to control her happiness

― i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Monday, May 18, 2015 11:28 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and that was his point too at the end right? dude said something like "if something's wrong, it's always going to be wrong." he might have been a nice guy, he just wasn't the -right- guy for Joan. it's basically the contrast to Peggy's story, who actually found someone who liked her just the way she was - annoying stubbornness, workaholic tendencies and all.

anyway, so much for my theory that Stan is to Peggy as Peggy is to Don. I had the same reaction as Peggy did to Stan's confession - incredulity (need a .gif of her saying "What?" on the phone) followed by "please let this not be another Stan joke" to "yay!" I know there was plenty of foreshadowing, I just didn't think it would actually happen - almost seems like a storyline that belonged on a different show somehow.

kinda preferred to read it as Don has nullified himself/become nobody and thereby is one with the zeitgeist of the times, which is a hippy-dippy coke ad.

my preferred reading too.

yeah peggy and stan was rushed as well - most of this ep was p badly tacked together but the show has built the characters well enough to get away with it

feel like the joan coke scene carried over into a lot of the rest of the episode! esp peggy and stan.

I find the conclusion that Don goes back to work at McCann and makes an awesome coke ad to be pretty depressing as a second (third? fourth?) act for him. He seemed so much happier being hobo-benefactor-Don

xp

"If something's wrong, it's always going to be wrong"---or maybe even, "it's always wrong"---either way, great throwaway line, like this show did so well.

I know there was plenty of foreshadowing

If there was, I probably willfully missed it. I loved that scene specifically because it came as a surprise to me.

He seemed so much happier being hobo-benefactor-Don

Huh? He was miserable spending that much time with just himself.

it was fragile, that's for sure

xxpost Geezer's throwaway diagnosis could apply to Draper's Fate, before or after the credits roll.

kinda preferred to read it as Don has nullified himself/become nobody and thereby is one with the zeitgeist of the times, which is a hippy-dippy coke ad

Even though I'm 99% on the side of Don goes back and creates the Coke ad, I think this is a valid interpretation.

The show's richest ambiguity for me is in the guy's fridge monologue. It was serious and credibly painful, and at the same time it completely sounded like a Don Draper pitch. Where is the line between one and the other? (Dammit, I want my ambiguity.)

Huh? He was miserable spending that much time with just himself.

he seemed to be doing pretty great until he got the news from Sally

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/249014/don-draper-maverick-ad-man-dead-at-88.html

The most cynical reading of all (which I don't at all believe, but it just crossed my mind): Don's embrace of the fridge guy, and the reason he's so shattered and overwhelmed by the guy's story, is that the advertising part of him knows he's just heard the single greatest pitch of his life.

That obit is excellent.

Draper was married and divorced five times. His daughter, socialite Sally Draper, and another son, Gene, predeceased him.

doing pretty great, other than the fact he's just wandering around getting shithammered by himself in cheap motel rooms

loved that Gene finally got a line

booze-sweat makeup artist deserves an award for the series, a+ work

Didnt realize til he spoke that Gene was the same actor as Jax's creepy kid Abel in Sons of Anarchy, i hate that kid

so does Don!

lol

that mediapost notably disconnects peggy and joan from any future success, but hey

I was there in the 70s, it was not a Coke ad, well not always.

Not sure what you're saying... I had to confirm that the hit-single version was rewritten after the ad, not the reverse.

havent watch this show in a few seasons but that ending with the new age meditation sesh leading into the coke ad was ice cold

i see what u did there

ha in all seriousness tho i loved it it was the real thing

lol

it was just it you know

needed more polar bears

all punning around aside i did think it was very good

btw i read the wikipedia season recaps before watching and im sure this is news to no one but the plots got kinda lurid in the later seasons huh

more lurid than first-season "I didn't know I was pregnant for 8 months"

ya

having breaking down don hanging around that cliff was a nice foreboding touch

also don trying to school the blonde girl in his methods of inner and outer deception lol what a goon

we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie

I have noticed that most of these CONTEMPORARY GOLDEN AGE TV shows are kinda what we usta call soap operas, or in Grandma Morbius' case "my stories."

btw Letterman years ago used to drop "my stories" into his conversations with Paul and it killed me every time.

we've had this debate every season. it's a melodrama, a very good one.

oh gosh lets not start on the soap opera thing again

im no mad men apologist but its obvs a lot more than a melodrama let alone a soap opera its concerned with society and shit cmon

melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.

you can take it seriously too, if you want. you can analyze it if you like doing that. no one will laugh you.

"I trust we’ll see you here next year for episode one of Holloway-Harris: The Cocaine Years."

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/18/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-14-person-to-person-warning-spoilers

melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.

― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:54 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i see weve reached the willfully obtuse soap operas are good actually stage in record time

i specifically didnt say soap opera!

"i quite enjoy the middlebrow vapidity of its metatextual analysis tbh, buy me a latte?"

we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie

― lag∞n, Monday, May 18, 2015 4:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i will teach u how to become the man who drinks at work

i will teach you how to become... hamm