TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - Season Two

lol otm

aw i was looking forward to more conspiracy stuff but ok.

im guessing there will be conspiracies aplenty but in a james ellroy/chinatown fashion, but probably not suggestions of the existence of supernatural realms and creatures

pizzolatto clearly aware the supernatural beauty of tim riggins of mars is all the occult wonder he needs

aww :(

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:53 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

haha the weirdo occult veneer was the only thing that made true detective at all enjoyable, what a ball sack that dude is

Yup

cable showrunners have never before been fairly unpleasant people right

I have no opinion about him as a person, just that he doesn't seem to actually have a clue what works/made the first season appealing

(and there wasn't plenty wrong w the first season too fwiw)

i didnt think the occult stuff in the first season was necessarily essential or even always well done, the crime scenes looked like some 90s music video, but the occult, transportation and secrets are amongst my interests so id be willing to give it a shot

his one novel is an organized crime story with some modern western vibes, in some ways i like it a bit better than true detective - i figured he wanted to get back to those vibes to some extent, maybe

the occult is never not interesting though, obviously, i get why it served as one of the first season's primary hooks for a lot of people

as much as i love it, there's a lot about the first season that screams "i need this screenplay to get picked up." it's a veritable grab bag of cliches and tropes that people are familiar with--and i loved the show precisely for the crazy places it took all that stuff, even as it circled back to a conventional sort of ending. (which, again, i liked a lot more than most people)

he obviously has a pretty strict sense of his writing process (start with characters and build around them and add nothing extraneous to that characterization). just so happens in season one he had a whale of a character to bring in all kinds of other fun stuff.

i mean, if i had written a character cutting cans of lone star beer into little people while monologuing beautifully on the futility of existence i think i'd be pretty happy with my place in the history of literature.

the coolest part of that scene was how it was all an act where it used to be his personality

history of literature is a flat circle

books r flat circles

season one pitch: "what if thomas ligotti was a homicide detective?"

start with characters and build around them and add nothing extraneous to that characterization

yeah, very true - he openly said that the story was just those two characters and everything else was secondary or tertiary, which while honest is not exactly the best way to construct a televised story, lot of things needed to be more well-rounded/fleshed out than they were

new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uxGbhO4ag

These detectives today sure are philosophical!

truly

whoa whoa whoa

that broad stuck a knife into that practice dummy. you know she's going to be TOUGH.

wonder if she'll get the chance to duplicate those sparring moves on a REAL enemy.

sometimes your worst self is your best self

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1329325124l/12007737.jpg

I deserve the merits I warrant.

s3 shd be all sunny corporate self improvement philosophy

but delivered in very dark gnarly tones

*batman voice* When you believe in yourself you have found the first secret to success.

*drives slowly down gritty urban street populated by prostitutes and drug dealers* i saw this ted talk once...

v down with this especially rachel mcadams murking a dummy with a spyderco knife

man i'm getting worried about true detective :/

in what way - not digging the sleazy cali noir/chinatown vibes?

I don't know like the setting, the cast, etc in theory but I'm getting some bad vibe from the trailer

it seems kinda hard to screw up the formula, really. season one took things in far weirder places than i expected and this one is perhaps less ambitious?

wouldnt sweat the trailer they are always garbage portentous non sequitur nonsense.

I think that a more traditional noir plot might not be a bad thing though. but we'll see

i think its pretty easy to screw up the formula! some significant portion of the stuff i liked about the last season was harrelson, mcconaughey, and fukunaga--without those guys idk that pizzolatto can lift his worst tendencies up

oh absolutely you can fuck up the LA noir formula, neo or otherwise (gangster squad, anybody? street kings?). but that said, his other most notable work, his novel galveston, actually succeeds well by being a nihilistic crime story w/o any weird or occult stuff. also I feel just as good about farrell mcadams and kitsch as I did about mcconaughey and harrelson, just for different reasons. (vaughn is a total coin flip.)

if it does crash and burn tho I'll absolutely eat my words.

I hope you are right! I want to believe

oh you guys are probably right, but if "formula" is taken more restrictively to be a somewhat naturalistic la noir then you'd have to take some significant risks within that framework to totally turn me off. i was prepared for the first season to be a bog standard serial killer southern gothic--which i suppose it was, just to the nth degree--but i was totally on board with that initial proposition. on the other hand NP may be that type of writer whose worst tendencies are also his best so maybe it's gonna be another high wire act.

whose worst tendencies are also his best

:)

balls

http://www.thewrap.com/cary-fukunaga-out-as-director-of-stephen-kings-it-at-new-line-exclusive/

boo

ftr his jane eyre is pretty great to look at
movie itself not the best but dude is so good at "psychological landscape"

you know what this world really needs is another adaptation of It