Irish politics discussion thread

fuck rte's piss poor weak moderation and willingness to defer to the same rentabigot fucks

that said, I wish that the yes side would bother to go for the jugular in these events. just for the fuckin craic if not to sway the few who'd like to see waters et al take the kicking they deserve in front of the nation

I take it back after this past fortnight I wish the yes side would just fuck off away from my sight

obv voting yes tomorrow regardless but Jesus, it's like an irish guardian bloc metamorphosed around it

They have been a bit overbearing

as always I'm.venting more than anything else, and tbf its really difficult to argue that anyone should have the right to vote no, but eh the yes side have eh yeah overbearing is the right word I guess.

reading uh other politics threads its struck me that I have no idea how ilx would rate the work of this govt

I may get near a more suitable keyboard later to further pursue this, but uh how does ilx rate this govt, is what I'm asking guess

gah fuck it. i should be doing some work and writing but i felt compelled to respond to a couple of yer posts on the eurozone thread, darragh.

the chastening of syriza has an element of serious local benefit over here wrt the decreasingly credible spectre of sinn féin

this is applicable just as much for AAA and various independent TD's too and i see them taking a chunk of the SF vote in the next election. a lot of hard lefties turned off from SF

pushing out repayments while opening lines of credit does seem to have worked reasonably well here

has it really? Govt. keep crowing about it but im skeptical. Dublin is back on its feet but the rest of the country is still in the doldrums. HSE is completely fucked too. also whatever about FG, Labour have been a massive dissappointment.

good! I'm interested to know tbh. as a power worshipper meself I blindly take it all on faith obv.

there was asnippet in the it yesterday re the factions that were aligned to syriza and the credibility hits they might take, pure speculation but worth a look maybe.

agree that labour might have done more, would be surprised if fg did not cede a decent amount to them in interest of keeping the coalition stable in the leadup to march next year

Dublin/country divide is a huge infrastructural and network issue that was papered over under ff and was in no way addressable in recovery under current lot, I'd guess

and I moved to get a job, mind you, so I've skin in that game.

No doubt either that a Greek debt writedown would make Noonan and co. look bad (esp in the run-up to an election) hence they were strongly against it

well, firstly I think they believe that theyve done the right thing for us in their dealings with ecb and IMF et al, so clearly they lean that way in either case.

secondly, yes obviously politically no fiscally conservative/euro-co-operative sitting govt wants to see syriza triumph (or possibly not even survive) while they themselves take hard medicine at home with eager hecklers on their own left ready to claim at any stage that it was all unnecessary and they could and would do better.

I moved to get a job, mind you, so I've skin in that game.

y'see thats the same "im alright jack" attitude that got us into this mess in the first place....

it's absolutely not, in fact I feel sure you've just misread me there man- that was a complaint.

its me saying that I've no love for the idea of a wasted rural ireland. I'd much rather be at home if the jobs were there. but I don't think that it's realistic to pin that on the current govt, nor maybe even the next one.

im just joshing really. but yeah rural/urban divide has been ingrained long since the new lot.

im still undecided over the issue of water charges. wasnt tax money already going to maintaining waterworks? the govt dealt with it appallingly and will lose the election because of it

it was handled terribly, as was household charge

and yeah the q of where's the money going that was supposedly paying for it already comes up, but tbh its more that water (in fact, local authority in general) funding has been a shambles for decades and addressing it has been a legit new cost.

just, as we said, handled terribly

i though it not much until a fellow philosopher supposed twas like noonan coming down twice a week and buying me a coffee but only not coming down to do it himself maybe leaving a standing tab for me somewhere as suited my own location at the time and looked at like that tbh i guess id rather he stayed doing his job for we mightnt even get on if he were to call in, though i think we probably would.

― local eire man (darraghmac)

jaysus hes done great things to that tab

Its election time!!!
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Those votechecker smartvote sites are bullshit huh

Is there an alternative that isnt an idealist nonsense or a tantrum

Social Democrats?

Right

Calling it

FG Labour returned

Polls all wrong

FG/FF i reckon

Not this time, they must let a govt fail before playacting a disappointed but inevitable union.

I cant see Labour getting enough votes tho

No. The predicted big push from fg to shore labour up never came.

Still think middle Ireland will have more votes in them than the polls are showing.

Kinda welcome whatever at this stage, more varied and interesting political landscape than I can recall.

gombeen men

trigger warning: flat caps, priests, dog bothering and shotguns featured

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=111&v=63XaJdZF9cU

Transfers are gonna be huuuge, right

^

Day might be salvaged yet on them imo

Enda looking a bit crestfallen + weird scab on his upper lip

Michael Lowry ffs

And McGrath with it

Yeah Enda looks run down

Well advised to take the first dignified exit before varadkar makes a move.

mattie mcgrath was 7th fav in tipp a few days ago. Man of the people shur.

Predictions putting fg at 53, ten more than predicted on exit polls.

Predicting from exit polls is so fuckin dumb in our system and partic in this election

Just struck me that it's v likely that president, leader of fg, leader of lab v likely to be gay in next while

leaves only michael Martin, seeing as how Mary Lou has been in a loveless mock relationship with a beard for years now

Lol at kelly, lolololol

Corollary

Discussion and side-discussion in uk politics thread yesterday about the necessity of proper dirty left wing extremists (fagvo extreme or what-have-you) to counter ukip or the tory rump or the bnp

and (forgive me im more than unusually slow in many spheres) it struck me that we don't really acknowledge that we have these guys here, in fact they in many ways occupy that unthinking white working class rage reaction political space over here.

And if anything, theyre fuckin worse in a lot of ways. They whip up the usual damaging froth politics that block or stymie good political progress, and hey as a bonus they kill or support the killing of public servants and they enforce on behalf of a particularly powerful gang culture.

Am i overthinking it or does this explain a certain variance btwn the political cultures where the uk cru react ahah a little intemperately to suggestions that their worldview of the guaranteed progressivism of the left is a little ahah naive?

or is it more that theyre the privileged remnant of an invading culture that have the luxury of guilt and crumpets.

Cant decide. Irish answers only please.

Irish politics over the last 20 years is a mush of centrist parties tho, innit? There's never been a history of lefty parties. Ok SINN FEIN. but I'm more interested in looking at the likes of AAA/PBP/Socialist parties that have gained slightly in the last few years as they come with less baggage. Whatever you think about the water charges I think a fire needed to be lit under the arse of the Irish public and take some sort of charge after the last few years of slack-jawed shock. I'm kinda on the fence about them in general. I'm glad their a voice of dissent and the Irish Independent certainly hates them but they're hampered by a lot of nonsense, no platform finger wagging and that relentless robotic lefty jargon that looks like an undergraduate Marxist newsletter. I dunno it's a bit Rik from The Young Ones. I knew one of the AAA election candidates in college. He was a bit of a sap truth be told. Anyway How do you think they stymie good political progress? He'll I'm not even sure what "good political progress" is these days

There'll be havoc now lads

mike that was a good answer i never spotted. maybe ill even respond one day hey

gombeen men at it again?

youll have to be more specific tbh

Time to bring in Robo-Garda

NED-209

nice

t k whitaker has died. giant.

will history be kind tho

i mean compared to haughey, bertie, trump

where is enda

Enda An Era