THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

wow i totally forgot that

Especially anticlimactic given the implied journey she went on.

xps clay i'm more or less ok with them severing the iron islands stuff if they end up doing so, largely bc euron seemed kinda comic-book-villainish by martin standards

evan did you start reading teh books are you qualified to be in this thread

she fought with Ramsey's dogs. It was early in season 4 and tbh pretty forgettable as it was not really related to the rest of the season in any way.

I am not qualified to be here except I figured why not given the show has essentially completely diverted.

yeah sloth the islands stuff was for me (outside of some of asha's sex posi narration and maybe the guy who liked to read a lot) the worst grind of the later books and seriously this show is gonna introduce jack sparrow this far along? If they're cutting stoneheart and aegon, well, sorry euron and your silly horn.

(Also shooting all those ship scenes would be prohibitively expensive.)

which one was aegon again?

rhaegar's and elia martell's child, who was supposedly beaten to death by the mountain but didn't die

i enjoyed that stuff in ADWD but its absence won't mess with the show much

right, and wasn't there some knight character that gets sent along to protect him?

And then there was some other Martell kid who is supposed to marry Dany and impress her but gets burnt to death by the dragons?

there are two boys right? not the same one?

yup. jon connington, briefly a hand of the king to aerys II the mad king.

other martell kid is quentyn (pours dornish red out for a dude) - him and aegon VI totally unaware of each other

fwiw aegon is prob not aegon

yup. jon connington, briefly a hand of the king to aerys II the mad king.

Jon Connington also notable for being gay for Rhaegar.

can't blame the guy basically everyone wanted to fuck the prince

With such beautiful hair and voice, it's no wonder!

damn, i did like aria martell as a character for reasons similar to what clay said about asha/yara greyjoy, oh well though

xxp wait...what? i mean male romance is far from unheard of in asoiaf but i don't remember that at all!

it's deffo subtextually implied his allegiance to the targ's isn't just an honor thing

obviously anything the show abandons has to be ultimately inconsequential and i am a little saddened by the sheer volume of inconsequential things. not surprised of course, but still it is kinda sucks to have read thru the books and thought, e.g. this oldtown stuff seems like it could be cool, and then while waiting for that to develop have some dudes take the plot from start to finish and dump that part in the garbage.

that is def the struggle, for every two inconsequential detours or characters there is def one sort of interesting one that will be sliced away

maybe they'll keep quentyn and send bronn and jamie off with him. kinda hard to believe that they would axe a sub-plot where a nice westerosi boy gets burned to death by dragons

just realized they kinda finessed varys and Tyrion thing whereas varys can quietly slither back to kings landing offscreen and do what he has to do in episode 10

what is varys's standing in the books w/r/t tywin's death and tyrion's escape? i made be remembering incorrectly but i feel like he is more definitely implicated in the show than the books.

pretty sure he plays a major role in the books too

jaime holds varys at knifepoint and coerces him into aiding the escape in the books. in the show, jaime lets him out and varys gets him to the ship and you don't see any interaction between jaime and varys

Quentyn wasn't even cast, I don't think.

With all the sudden focus on Lyanna and Rhae-Rhae, I'm wondering if the show runners are making a late push to lay the groundwork for R+L.

Thought that was kinda explicit with the Stannis and Baelish exposition speeches

yeah i feel like the last episode was def the beginning of confirming r + l = j

sorry i was talking about how much is public knowledge re varys's involvement. i.e. is he in hiding at kings landing in the books?

In the books, the small council takes Varys's disappearance as his an admission of his complicity in Tyrion's various crimes.

And I think he skedaddled right after the Purple Nurple Wedding.

Oops, nm, Varys testified against Tyrion in the books too.

yeah varys disappears w/o a trace after tyrion escapes and we don't see or hear of him again until the very end of a dance w/ dragons

ah right, thanks

yeah i feel like the last episode was def the beginning of confirming r + l = j

― Clay, Tuesday, May 5, 2015 3:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this a going theory?

oh yes

yeah I just googled and apparently I am ~not~ in the loop

it's like THE theory, i straight up don't get how one could read even the first book and not come away with that conclusion

sorry dogg

his stuff is just not happening in the show. I'm sure they'll find a way to kill off Balon (he was in melisandre's leech prophecies on the show right?) and install Yara in his place or something to tie the islands plot off, but I don't think we're getting more than that.

Thank god if this is the case, what a slog these sections were. Though the Iron Islanders in Slaver's Bay are about to kick off in a major way in the books no?

bump (for if readers want to debate sansagate)

i think there's a difference between the event happening and whether it needed to be depicted on screen -- so that scene was not necessary, especially considering it wasn't part of source text

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a fair point although if they had depicted the source text of that scene (with its original victim, let's speculate they somehow kept jeyne poole around as fake arya)...i don't even want to imagine what the reactions would be, and they would be even more understandable than these are

i'm not going to stop watching the show, but that was a low point for me. like campy sand snakes, and the romance with marcella and dorne dude that didn't exist in the books, fine -- this was just the worst so far this season

right - and the obvious path of least resistance is that you dump the idea of showing it altogether, and say you imply that ramsay is being brutal without showing it on a scene-by-scene basis. (its an easy thing for us to infer!) i wouldnt be surprised if in the writers' minds that they view this atrocity as just another awful thing ramsay has done, on par with castrating/flaying theon, destroying him mentally, threatening him with rape etc but i dont know how i feel about such a perspective myself. yeeesj.

it was def a bad episode by the show's standards and the scene made it worse.

*yeeeesh

i thought trystane/myrcella was kinda cute! sappy as hell for sure though

my friend Julia Gfrörer posted a really cogent defense of these scenes as necessary as an exposé of sexual violence as a product of marriage in westerosi society a couple days ago, ie this patriarchy isn't substantially different from our own, but most narratives gloss over it http://boiledleather.com/post/119334044248/m00n-creature-boiledleather-julia-gfrorer

but yeah that being said this episode was, one hopes, a nadir for the show

you imply that ramsay is being brutal without showing it on a scene-by-scene basis. (its an easy thing for us to infer!)

exactly -- use the audience's power of imagination -- idk. it felt gratuitous and creatively lazy

If they really want to expose rape as a fundamental part of marriage, perhaps not use the horrific monster to show it? Perhaps show how horrific a normal marriage could be.

If they really want to expose rape as a fundamental part of marriage, perhaps not use the horrific monster to show it? Perhaps show how horrific a normal marriage could be.

Not that I've gone out of my way to delve into this issue, but this point is very good.