i haven't read the books
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
Arya's kill list as it stands: "Cersei, Walter Frey, the Mountain, Meryn Trant"
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
why is the mountain on it again?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
i think he was commanding the torturers in that ruined city when she was captured there. i assume that was when his name got on the list
― head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
so that's what she was saying. I heard 'marlin trout' and thought she had it in for a fish. who the fuck is meryn trant?
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:52 (nine years ago) link
he killed Syrio
― mizzell, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
figured it wasn't RDJ's fault
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
He's in it quite a lot but rarely says anything - hatchet-faced kingsguard who's always lurking around Cersei.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
yes, they have. i know because i've been really bad jokes about arya spending it on a hot dog for a couple years now
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
You mean some brown stew in Hell's bottom
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
Shit, show merge. Uh, Bottom's Kitchen
What's thatp lace called. The place with the stews
In Flea Bottom we called them 'bowls of brown'.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
Right. Hell's Fleas
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Flea Bottom, Flea Bottom, talk about brown bowls, the Red Keep's got 'em.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:47 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:47 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It was more the fact she was supposed to be out for revenge but instead decided to go to a house in the remotest of nowhere, throwaway her possessions (including, ostensibly, her sword), so she could hang around and mop a floor while forgetting who she is. I don't remember a bit in S4 where she made up her mind to go to Braavos or the b/w house but maybe I'm forgetting it. It was a year ago.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
as an aside, i like it when people call it 'games of thrones'. especially if they've been following it for years.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
xpost approaching tuomas-level deliberate obtuse
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
i felt like Aria's drive for revenge was waning – because all these people on her list were getting killed constantly by other people. i know she was still reciting her names, but i feel like she is more willing to put all that on the backburner.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
and just hang around.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
she wants to become an assassin. she knows one dude in the world who is one. I wonder why she goes to find him?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
yes that's clearer now, but it wasn't before.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
and besides, all this mr miyagi nonsense 'you can't come in. now you can come in' / 'now sweep the floor for days on end', is a bit played out and feels like an excuse to draw a simple plotline out over a series where not enough happens.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
i think it would be pretty interesting if they were willing to pare back the number of storylines per episode...like maybe just follow one or two, allow them to develop without so much interruption and stalling.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
but they can't develop storylines without running into the brick wall (the end of the books).
really the best solution is for this show to take a breather until 2020 or so, i'm sure everyone would be fine with that
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
the amount of expository back-story-retelling in this show is ridiculous
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:18 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
All of the actors will age normally except Bran, who at his current rate will be a decrepit old man by that point.
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
just think, first episode could be tyrion and dany until they (presumably) meet. episode two: arya and sansa's storylines so far. episode three maybe cersei and jon snow? or whatever. it's all so choppy and dissatisfying dramatically right now.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
i remain confused by how frustrating this is to people, i mean to each his/her own obvs but the sprawl and the crosscutting has been embedded in the show's blueprint for most if not all of its run
well, since they aren't going to be going entirely according to GRRM's plan out of necessity, i'm not sure this is a factor exactly
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah book diversion is already a thing, they can do whatever they'd like at this point
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
True, but they're not doing it very well is the thing.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
the only change i've really disagreed with is how that scene with cersei and jaime in the sept went and only bc it made an already unsettling occurrence that much worse
like what has really bothered ppl?
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
this is a slow-paced show, it is basically the wire with swords and magic and a lot more nudity, always has been, things unfold at a v measured pace until they explode and they always explode eventually
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
xposteh, i mean they have artistic license to explore different directions that aren't in the books, especially while they wait for the new ones, but does anyone really think they're going to introduce a new storyline that would have a major effect on the overall plot? one that kills off a main character, or results in one house destroying another or something? nah- any new non-book storyline is gonna have to be like a optional sidequest that the characters do for bonus XP
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
like MAYBE the character will travel to a different land and eventually, after a bunch of talking and 9 episodes pass, pick up upgraded armor
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
i def think they will kill off a main character this season who's still alive in the books & would tell you in the spoiler thread if yer curious
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to know! but i will cross my fingers that they're killing off the entire daenerys storyline
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
This show has gotten farther and farther away from any fair comparisons with The Wire for a couple seasons at least. What drew me in during the first season was how the bureaucratic minutiae could ripple out into massive effects far away from the epicenter, but now, a lot of the cool consequential realpolitik has been replaced by generic high-level fantasy cliche. I did like Stannis and Jon's (and later Davos's) negotiations to legitimize Mopey McOpenMouth and offer him Wintefell, but even then it felt a little superficial and rote.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
I guess Carcetti's wandering accent is to blame, really.
"...generic high-level fantasy cliche."
What are the main examples of this in your opinion?
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Don't make me back up my internet assertions this early in the day!
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
all of the tywin stuff, which lasted for 3 seasons, counts as cool realpolitik, the meereen stuff that everyone hates (even i'm getting a little impatient and i'm a dany defender) is basically carcetti #struggles but with 3 dragons lol
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
ummm it is only early on the gomorrah that is the west coast leee you'll have to do better than that excuse-wise
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Not enough sheeeeit
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Which character storylines are near the end of Dance With Dragons and which still have a long way to go?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
bran is already done hence his absence and sansa is done but now being repurposed. i think everyone else has enough book story for the rest of the season.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
Dude I am on the West Coast, I wish the entire Eastern seaboard would get swallowed up into the Atlantic already!
I like the Meerene stuff, I wish it were expanded on!
I dunno, it all feels like boring cloak-and-dagger, betrayal for memeification's sake.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
What makes Bran "done"?
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link