hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

remember the assembly-line laborer brushing his ruined claw-hand over the flickering surface of the ipad he'd never seen before and saying "it's a kind of magic"

lmao

he was looking for queen uploads on youtube

lol I forgot the gun part, that was amazing

he's still aggrieved about it too. seems like a narcissist. tweet from last week:

‏@mdaisey
It's too bad TAL didn't go the Rolling Stone route and have an outsider tell the story--I can tell you it would have landed differently.

Speaking of RS, he's really the version of the Rolling Stone reporter who was looking for the perfect campus rape story and then ended up screwing up all kinds of things

and again I haven't read the new one yet - but Ronson's M.O. is almost always to get close to despicable & possibly sociopathic people and tell the story through their eyes. I don't know that it necessarily constitutes a defence of their actions when he does that. I guess alarm bells don't go off when I see he spoke to Daisey and Lehrer after reading his stories on David Icke, Alex Jones, David Shayler, etc.

tbh I doubt many people cared in the North American market because those are either British or fringe figures

like no one really cares about Alex Jones other than conspiracy theorists and people who enjoy their antics, but a bunch of NPR-listening ppl and the general news-reading public know about Daisey and Lehrer

his earlier books about cranks and paranoids are called "kooks" and "them".

this book is called "you have been publicly shamed" not "you are a fucking liar"

yeah this is def a departure for him

i mean he was never in his past books all "lizard ppl ruling the world is my personal greatest fear"

lord knows it's mine

I don't think so - his last book was about psychopaths. His whole m.o. is always to humanize unlikeable people without excusing what they've done. Dedicating a book to people who have been held up to global derision seems to fit right in - and it would be a less-interesting book if he cherry-picked a bunch of comepletely sympathetic people. I'll have to read the book to see if he pulls it off. He doesn't always, but he's good at what he does.

its really not what hes doing here tho

like he is overtly personally identifying with the publicly shamed and saying public shaming is bad

"you are a kook"

How do you know - you say you've made up your mind and you don't want to read the book?

and that he should be publicly shamed for a line that was edited out of the book

already read multiple articles/excerpts/interviews/tweets hes written on the topic feel like i have a pretty good handle on it

taking the approach from his past books wld maybe be more provocative and interesting except that the publicly shamed arent outcasts everyone already has great sympathy for them

the shamers are actually the outcasts

right, and we've always been at war with eastasia

k

lol

Does shaming actually have salutary political effects? I remember reading psychology studies that separated shame from guilt, and noted that the former -- because it deals with how people feel about themselves as people rather than their actions -- almost always leads to antisocial outcomes. Guilt is more useful, and some level of it is necessary for moral growth.

Maybe we don't care about Lerher's growth as a human, but I see no reason to totally discount the kid in the video and hope that he feels "called out" before his peers. This is more likely to produce defensiveness than guilt. It would have been better if j0rdan tracked down the kid and sent him a private message about his concerns.

Shaming might affect behaviors -- make people more cautious -- but I think those benefits could come at the expense of more serious damage to the shamed and those afraid of being shamed.

Felt this way with Lena Dunham too, and almost every case like this that comes up.

funny how we're having a conversation about gawker publicly shaming people and nobody has brought up adrien chen's doxxing of violentacrez yet

Violentacrez was committing criminal breaches of privacy. It feels different.

Felt this way with Lena Dunham too, and almost every case like this that comes up.

― Treeship, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:15 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i otoh told lena nobody had ever made me feel this way before

i'm getting kinda tired of seeing the word "shame" over and over as the all-encompassing word for what happens when someone gets caught out there with a bad tweet or unflattering picture or whatever. there's probably no single word that fits better as an all-purpose shorthand for book titles and stuff, but to me it conjures this Scarlet Letter moral judgment vibe that doesn't really apply to a lot of these situations, which are often more about point-and-laugh derision or just fed-up anger at people still saying evil racist shit or whatever. SOMETIMES these kinds of internet backlashes involve fat-shaming or slut-shaming or something like that, but i dunno if you'd call it dumb-shaming or inarticulate-shaming when someone fires off a shitty offensive tweet or whatever.

Agree, suggest new word 'treesh', as in that dude was publicly treeshed

if only people doing the shaming (for all these definitions of shaming) would be more chill

brb gonna reach out privately and express serious concerns about offensive #content i see on the web

inarticulate shaming is kinda fucked up tho

dir sirs;

i respectfully find your content outrageous and offensive. plz stop i guess or something.

sincerely,
a shamer

It would have been better if j0rdan tracked down the kid and sent him a private message about his concerns.

― Treeship, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:11 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is my favorite post. good shit

ronson goes to bat for jonah lehrer and mike daisey, but is skeptical of adria richards

fwiw he expresses some scepticism about some of the arguments Richards makes but this is how the section on donglegate concludes

“Give me an example,” I said. “So you’re in your new workplace [Hank was offered another job right away] and you’re talking to a female developer. In what way do you act differently towards her?’

“Well,” Hank said, “we don’t have any female developers at the place I’m working at now. So.”

“You’ve got a new job now, right?” I said to Adria.

“No,” she said.

Later, I saw another photograph Adria happened to take that day at the conference. It was an audience shot. A sea of men – practically only men – stretching to the horizon.

***

the worst is when ppl publicly shame cops for gunning down unarmed black men in the streets i mean hello ever heard of being polite smh

(that is from an extract in the Guardian, I guess the version in the book might be different? idk http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/feb/21/internet-shaming-lindsey-stone-jon-ronson xp)

xp i don't think j0rdan would have done that. i just think if he was really interested in getting the kid to know that what he said was not OK, that would be the way to do it.

"making an example" of someone is always a bad look and inherently unfair, i feel like this is just obvious

jeez guys cd you not have just covered up his head in the video with the trollface or sump'n?

xp i don't think j0rdan would have done that. i just think if he was really interested in getting the kid to know that what he said was not OK, that would be the way to do it.

"making an example" of someone is always a bad look and inherently unfair, i feel like this is just obvious

― Treeship, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:29 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is it possible that wasn't jordan's primary goal

wldve been cooler if those sunglasses dropped down and then DEAL WITH IT i love memes

dear sir....

http://boxofchocolates29.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/snoopy_typewriter.gif

if jordan really wanted to save his soul, he would have taken the kid to church, synagogue or mosque

inarticulate shaming is kinda fucked up tho

― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:26 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno, depends on the context! a lot of times people just make a typo or are horrible spellers. if i'm going to hell for finding it funny that French Montana said "alphet" instead of "outfit," so be it. i guess the "like such as South Africa" pageant girl was the object of a lot of sexism over that whole thing, but anybody could've said that on TV and it would've gone viral.

xp it obviously wasn't his goal. the goal was entertainment at another person's expense, which is obviously shitty. but it's framed disingenuously as this "punching up" anti-racist gesture, which is why people are able to enjoy it without feeling guilty

im able to enjoy it because i accidentally clicked on buzzfeeds soul removal button

who cares what you think his goal was. what is the effect xp

won't someone think of the idiot white youths