The funniest thing is watching this and the 1943 Batman serial, which TCM is showing a chapter per week on Saturday mornings. All cut from the same cloth — dames in peril, bad guys dressed up as cops, you know the drill. Both fun.
― WilliamC, Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:05 (nine years ago) link
Have only watched one. Unlike most, haven't loved the action scenes so much; I can't get past non-superpowered people taking brutal hits and then in one second recovering to whip out another sequence of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon moves.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link
Two episodes in; enjoyed it! The Park Chan-Wook rip off corridor fight was nicely put together. A bit maudlin/cliche/sadistic I suppose but not too much for the better bits not to land.
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:58 (nine years ago) link
FOGGY BEAR
― mh, Sunday, 12 April 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
Melvin Potter!
― WilliamC, Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
Yeah!
― mh, Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
If anything I am impressed by how many characters they included with minor alterations while leaving them completely recognizable. Owlsley, Turk, both good. The casting for Foggy and Karen is excellent. D'Onofrio's large man physicality is exactly how I'd expect Fisk to be, and there are a few shots (including one where he, let's be vague to avoid spoilers, pulls open a rolling door in the last episode) where he has great body language.
― mh, Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
finished 9 episodes. this has been outstanding tbh, far exceeding any possible expectations - which for me are pretty low given that I have only liked a few recent marvel things (like guardians). it has its own voice and tone, which (aside from guardians and some of the iron man films) is not a quality of the marvel shit
― slothroprhymes, Sunday, 12 April 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
Just finished chugging the last four episodes. I'm going to hold off on judgments for the time being.
― WilliamC, Monday, 13 April 2015 04:01 (nine years ago) link
bowling ball was a bit O_o
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 April 2015 04:37 (nine years ago) link
seven episodes down and i'm really enjoying this. charlie cox has definitely grown on me, and i actually kinda like his black costume. i'm less sure about the red one which netflix have blithely spoilered by including it in their thumbnail for the show - i guess it might look better in motion when it shows up?
one thing that bugs me is that they're happy to depict graphic violence but seem oddly reticent about swearing, restricting themselves to a couple of 'shits' and a 'dickhead' each episode. depicting severed hands and car-door decapitations and endless brutal beatings: just fine. foggy saying 'fuck' once in a while: not cool.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 08:44 (nine years ago) link
Not really looking for a Frank Miller-esque blood-fest out of this
Miller's Daredevil comics were produced under the Comic Book Code, and are not especially bloody.
it's dark but not really the tone of miller's diet of reactionary bullshit
Can you point to the issues of Miller's Daredevil that are politically reactionary?
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 13 April 2015 10:22 (nine years ago) link
are you his lawyer?
I haven't read the daredevil comics he wrote, it was a general and figurative statement on what miller starting turning into with the dark knight strikes again and apparently took to ran new heights with holy terror and most certainly took to further parodic extremes with his issues of (IM THE GODDAMN) batman and robin. honestly that's the whole miller tone. didn't think it was that controversial to call it reactionary, even if that's not the perfect word.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:05 (nine years ago) link
*started
You were worried that they would adapt comics you haven't read for the Daredevil TV series and then add some reactionary politics from comics that aren't about Daredevil (that you have read?)
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 13 April 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link
Tuombot.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 13 April 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
lol wtf
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:49 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the series has enough real problems without dragging imaginary ones into the mix.
The quality of the dialogue in the 2nd half of the series went howlingly bad. And Woll and Henson as Karen and Foggy were great casting physically, but they are horrible terribly shitty actors.
Still, I give the overall series a B+.
― WilliamC, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:58 (nine years ago) link
my whole point was that as dark as this daredevil series has been, it's still not quite going for the ironic-bitter-chuckle "THIS CITY'S GONE TA HELL" tone that miller invented largely in his narration. (I guess it doesn't count against sin city if you consider that a work of pastiche exaggerated for effect but I'm not sure miller meant it as such tbrr)
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:59 (nine years ago) link
which is a good thing. fucks sake.
xp to self "popularized in the mainstream" is prob a better qualifier than "invented" before anyone decides to drop more truth bombs
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link
Miller's runs on the book are not the right primary reference point for this series, imo. I'd call it 80% Bendis, 10% Miller, 10% Lee.
― WilliamC, Monday, 13 April 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link
I really like this new cover of "Peace Train" but it's weird that there aren't any lyrics about supporting the fatwah against Salman Rushdie.
― Blah! I'm A Drackla! (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 April 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
I think the Frank Miller reference wasn't really to his Daredevil comics, but the fact that his adapted work as of late (Sin City, 300, etc) has thrust a particular image of him into the popular eye and the public, and possibly the writers, would be interested in capitalizing on the "Frank Miller's Daredevil" theme by incorporating some 2015 Frank Miller.
― mh, Monday, 13 April 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
fwiw I think Miller's work on Daredevil is pretty much the primary reference point for every writer that followed
― mh, Monday, 13 April 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link
The Spirit and the last Sin City both bombed. I don't think anyone wants to directly associate Frank Miller's name with their product right now (whatever about his influence on the actual content)
― Number None, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
i am genuinely not seeing much miller in the first two eps i saw. too much humor and lack of interior brooding.
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
did the comics deal with matt's catholicism much before miller picked up the reins? i agree they've not leant as hard on miller as i thought they might but the confession scene right at the start, with the 'forgiveness for what i'm about to do' stuff. seemed brooding in a miller-y manner.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
miller would've had the priest be a pedophile and matt is punching him through the confession windowi agree that this feels way more bendis-y. i am hoping it makes the turn into Brubaker which is my fave modern arc.daredevil is one of the only capes and tights books i got in the habit of buying on sight so it's a pleasure to see they didn't fuck it up too bad.
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
Vincent D is a good actor but I think he's miscast or maybe just misplaying it here. Reads too sensitive and insecure for Kingpin for me. But overall I think this is a pretty good series.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
sensitive/insecure kingpin is a take on the character that was done quite a bit in book (that part would be Miller-esque)
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
I guess, but it feels like by that point in the comics they've already established that he's a ruthless criminal mastermind. Leading with it just feels a little off to me.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
i kinda feel like vanessa is going to be the one to provide fisk with the steel to become the kingpin
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
also: how did i never notice vincent d'onfrio has a such a fucking massive head before
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
Also I think it was mentioned above but Kingpin is truly a physically terrifying figure in the comics. Character in show as just a normal slightly to seed bald dude feels weird.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
also: how did i never notice vincent d'onfrio has a such a fucking massive head before --bizarro gazzara
No idea. He has a huge head in FMJ
would have thought they'd do some LTOR style framing to make Fisk appear enormous.
― totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
the comics kingpin is six-foot-seven and 450lbs, which i guess is kind of a tough nut for casting directors to crack. he seemed scary enough to me when he was literally smashing a man's head off with a car door.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
Really? He seemed like a pissy out of control weirdo.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
You give anyone enough tries they can smash a dudes head off with a car door you know. Big whoop.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
Cool just put yr head right here and let put on my head snapping smock.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Character in show as just a normal slightly to seed bald dude
Dang, I must have watched a different series entirely because I didn't see that at all.
― WilliamC, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
To be fair I'm only on ep. 8 maybe he gets more impressive....
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
I'm 4 eps in and generally find it pretty good, but a little OTT violent than it needs to be.
― totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
I feel that this is better than it has any business being.
― I am using your worlds, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
very much enjoying Ben Urich. I'm assuming they don't have the rights to the Daily Bugle.
― totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah, vondie curtis-hall was inspired casting for urich. i guess the bugle rights are tied up with sony and the spider-man movies? urich's editor is no j. jonah jameson, that's for sure.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
I loved this, but it was maybe a misstep to have Kingpin and Daredevil's genesis stories running alongside each other. One of them has to lose in the end, so it creates an anticlimax in that arc. But maybe that is actually awesome bc it means there were actually stakes built up for that last episode.
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
also soundtrack turns all espresso machine for kingpin's coming out party
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link