My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive: THE FLASH tv show

good to hear, i was hoping they'd figure out how to have those guys work - the episode where heat wave joined up just felt atypically cartoonish without explanation. and that's really the issue. if you're going to have a world where most superhumans are relatively emotionally grounded, and suddenly one guy is all "OOOH BABY I LIKE COLD THINGS," you need to call that out - at least have cisco say "wtf is this dude's trip" when he's macho man randy savaging on the TV. and if the flash can go back to his mom's death without taking over the body of wee barry allen, there should also be two barrys when he goes back a day. just because we buy that in this world radiation gives you magical powers depending on who you stand next to doesn't give the creators carte blanche to ignore the laws of that reality.

well, we don't know the laws yet. Maybe baby Barry will appear in the present and the rest of the series will be about him learning to crawl fast enough to get back inot the womb

i probably should have said "norms"

maybe every time Barry goes back to the past he creates a new reality, another "earth" if you will, until there are an infinity of such earths and then a crisis ensues.

I was just thinking about the infinite potential realities thing. Or at least that in changing whatever actions maybe Barry had diverted from the timeline, so if the other Barry did move somewhere else in time it would be in a different Universe.
But wasn't Wells checking for things like that? Though maybe the resulting divergence didn't impact badly on what he wanted.

Probably helped by being warned, but the time funkiness wound up not really bothering me thanks to dr wells' acknowledging the randomness of it. Like the nature of the gold-making gun its definitely underwritten but the episode was fun enough (I even enjoyed Cold!) that I wasn't mad.

I love the Golden Glider so was a bit disappointed in how it ended up on screen - like, if you have a gun that turns people to gold then why not just turn a tramp to gold every now and then and get rich that way? But I can put that to one side because this is still the best of the hero shows. Of the Silver Age Rogues I figure we just need Mirror Master, The Top, Abra Kadabra and The Trickster. the Turtle would be nice too, but that's probably just me.

The as-yet-untitled-but-may-be-The-Brave-And-The-Bold team-up series from the Flash/Arrow universe now stands at Rip Hunter, Hawkgirl, the Jason Rusch-era Firestorm, The Atom and (maybe) Black Canary with one more hero to announce.

supposedly the black canary in the new show is going to be played by caity lotz, which, given her current status over in arrow, raises a few questions... which i guess rip hunter might be involved in answering?

That's my guess. Also if it's the Jason Rusch Firestorm then that also sounds Rip Hunter-y.

i wonder if the team ends up being brought together to fight the time crisis in wells' newspaper from the future?

I assume that was CoIE (see mention of red skies).

yeah, i'd assumed that too. perhaps the black canary is a refugee from earth-2 or wherever?

During our recent two-season Arrow binge, I spent much of the first season ensuring my gf that it's supposed to get better and that I'd keep watching on my own if she wasn't into it. Four episodes into Flash and she's totally sold.

Just saw that a theater alum from my alma mater, who has been on Broadway a lot recently, has been cast as Hawkgirl in the upcoming spinoff show: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/30/broadways-ciara-ren%C3%A9e-cast-hawkgirl-flash-arrow-spinoff

And Arthur Darvill has been cast as Rip Hunter.

<3 mark hamill

"that wasn't very sanitary!"

also rip harrison wells :(

Mark Hammill gets to do the 'I'm Your father' line.
Surprised people weren't all over that. Or did I miss it.

Our sofa was all over it, at least.

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Eddie, please grow a pair and tell Joe to fuck off.

GRODD

HATE

BANANA

i'm so un-used to the length of a network drama season. I can't believe there's still TWO left

thanks to cable ever since episode 12 i've been like "and now...the grand finale!"

They brought it with Grodd. They sold both the ridiculousness of the whole thing and how terrifying it would be to encounter a pissed off, intelligent, telepathic gorilla.

Cisco is the rare comic relief dude who's actually pretty funny.

Grodd looked nice for TV budget, but I was disappointed his plot was pretty much overshadowed by all the Barry/Iris/Joe drama. The "Iris must not know" thing has been one the stupidest, most dragged-out subplot in the series so far (especially since at this point every character except Iris has already learned Barry is the Flash), so I'm glad it was resolved, but this show just isn't very good at Serious Drama. The dialogue is so unnatural and corny, and almost all of the actors are mediocre and stiff, their attempts at dramatic scenes is usually teen soap level bad.

I tried watching Arrow a while ago, but I quit because of the bad acting and dialogue and weak Batman-lite plots. Compared to it, at least The Flash has had a nice positive tone and cool superhero concepts and plot twists and shit, which has kept it fun. So hopefully they won't try to add too much Arrow style darkness and drama into it, because then it'll become just as bad as the parent show, which I think this episode proved.

Basically the only they can rely on acting to carry the show when Wells is hamming it up or Cisco is being geeky and cute. Otherwise they should just focus on their strengths, i.e. fun gimmicky superhero plots. The corny character stuff actually works decently enough when its part of those kind of plots, because it has an endearing Silver Age quality. So more Grodd and less soap opera, please!

"the only time they can rely on acting"

It doesn't take me out of the show too much but everything involving Iris is basically the worst

Didn't expect them to go so dark

That was a great wrap-up - they really earned the emotional payoff over the course of the series, although Barry and Iris still have zero chemistry

(perhaps because the actors playing them realise that they're essentially brother and sister and pairing them up is fucking creepy, particularly this episode where they hammered home again that joe is barry's second father)

Great finale, though now I get to spend the next few months wondering just how much changed due to Marty mcfly's evaporation.

Esp since its confirmed Tom cavanagh is in season 2

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I guess the obvious change will be if Eobard never existed, Wells should still be around. So presumably they'll use that to justify keeping Cavanagh (hurrah) and beyond that...well we can probably rely on this show to change anything that results in fun, and handwave away anything that'd be awkward.

Yeah, wondering deeply. Since it was thanks to Eobard trying to get back home that the first explosion happened which caused Barry to become the Flash. Am wondering if Eddie being sucked into the time vortex has any hidden effect.

Nice to leave things on such a massive cliffhanger too. But am aware that not everybody has seen it so won't give any more spoilers

I feel like they almost have to make use of Cisco's power--like some kind of time reset where everything has changed and Cisco is the only person who remembers the Flash, and he finds Wells and helps him build blah blah blah

i have a feeling eddie being sucked into the wormhole will definitely be significant, but i have no idea what the outcome will be

gotta wonder how much they can really change the show's status quo without it having a knock-on effect in arrow

Think they've given up on that since last week Oliver appeared to help Barry in Star City whilst on supposed lock down in Nanda Parbat.

just remembered jay garrick's helmet showing up through the wormhole and wells apparently recognising it - wonder what they're planning to do with that?

It does bug me that after the big reveal, neither Barry nor Caitlyn nor Cisco ever said, "Hey, maybe we should consult that supercomputer from the future that we found hidden behind a wall?"

Thought it was ridiculous how little all the characters cared that saving Barry's mother could end the world, just shrugged it off like it was no biggie.

i also struggled a bit with the implications of what changing the past would mean - would barry as we know him essentially be committing suicide by ceasing to exist?

None of this really makes any sense--if Reverse Flash was never born then he could never go back in time and kill Barry's mom & Wells or create the Flash. But then if none of that stuff happened then Eddie would probably never have killed himself, and therefore Reverse Flash would still be born.

Yeah I guessed Eddie might kill himself, but I thought the outcome would be Reverse flash couldn't return to HIS future now - that there'd be no place for him in that year as his family etc didn't exist in ANY form, making him truly a man out of time. But instead I get to spend the summer wondering does this mean Harrison wells is alive and if so doesn't that mean Barry's mom is alive and if so doesn't that mean etc etc

I'd hope they'd just rush through explaining the consequences they've decided in the season premiere and stop talking about time travel in season 2 but legends of tomorrow suggests otherwise.

The presence of martin and lack of Ronnie in the legends trailer has me worried Ronnie is in a coma after that shock, meaning he only moves around when the prof turns him into firestorm

i was amused that martin and ronnie made no move whatsoever to help barry try to close the rift at the end of the episode, just stood there gawping like a couple of dummies instead of firestormin' up

Wait was Ronnie in that final shot?

Cuz then there goes my theory

i could have sworn he was but i'm doubting myself now...

I hadn't heard about Legends of Tomorrow until just now, but considering the trailer a guy from the future who protects timelines I figure all this paradox stuff will be cleaned up