Fran Lebowitz: caustic wit or boring complainer?

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famous ppl who have a "uniform" get tons of credit as if it's not its own form of vanity

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

i think she looks great but leslie feinberg is a personal style icon of mine so ymmv

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:02 (nine years ago) link

leslie feinberg looks fucking amazing imo

marcos, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link

also tbf to lebowitz there are a lot of photos in which i really dig her style and she has a cool unique thing going on but others are very bad, the oversize blazer with gold buttons and french cuffs that are too long paired with jeans is nagl imo

marcos, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link

yea i may be too sympathetic to the bag lady look

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link

expensive bag lady

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link

she looks a bit like a viola swamp

dynamicinterface, Thursday, 26 March 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link

"I feel very strongly that almost the entire city has copied my glasses."

this is the GOAT quote tho

J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 March 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link

mildly depressed by so many people not liking fran lebowitz itt rn

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:09 (nine years ago) link

fran is a treasure

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:09 (nine years ago) link

loved this interview

deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 26 March 2015 07:26 (nine years ago) link

def going to hate on the young ppl myself though, much more than i expected i would when i was that age

deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 26 March 2015 07:27 (nine years ago) link

haa

mattresslessness, Thursday, 26 March 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link

"If she has those sheets, you're the trick."

dow, Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link

i actually throw my suits on the ground when i get home. i'll never stop. i have mental problems.

computer champion (harbl), Friday, 27 March 2015 00:42 (nine years ago) link

Bike helmets: how pretentious!

with HD lyrics (Eazy), Friday, 27 March 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link

aesthetically, E, aesthetically.

Obviously young'uns have little idea that Fran was an icon in the late '70s/early '80s, esp a gay icon, before queer taste got watered down and elevated that c**t Joan Rivers.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link

just realized quaker oats guy looks like Leon Wieseltier

who i also feel strangely obliged to defend at times

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 27 March 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link

Quaker Oats guy = Barbara Bush

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 03:27 (nine years ago) link

Ranking:

1. Fran Lebowitz
2. Barbara Bush
3. Joan Rivers
4. Quaker Oats Guy
5. Leon Wieseltier

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 27 March 2015 04:06 (nine years ago) link

"He has very important hair." Gore V. on Leon W,

dow, Friday, 27 March 2015 04:19 (nine years ago) link

She said some transphobic stuff in the Candy Darling documentary that made me really not like her.

wk, Friday, 27 March 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link

She's definitely insightful in the Scorcese doc about gay culture - the way she framed the affect of the AIDS crisis on culture in that doc is really profound. She makes an amazing point about how it was not just artists who were lost, but a huge part of a highly attuned audience who knew their shit and pushed the forms forward.... and that loss wasn't confined to "gay culture" it rippled out to all the arts. As I remember it, she's talking about opera and dance in the doc, but you could just as easily apply it to disco and rock n roll, film, fashion, etc.

It is interesting that (as far as I know) she's never really come out herself. If she's gay. I guess I shouldn't assume she is.

But maybe that's all part of her contrarian schtick. The gay icon who won't come out. The writer who won't write.

Anyway, I actually like her a lot. I just knew her name from the paperbacks in the apartments of my parents and their friends when I was a kid, Metropolitan Life was everywhere - like ferns and brown corduroy. But the Scorcese doc made me appreciate her a lot more. I'm just not into hearing her do hacky stuff about bike helmets and men in shorts and kids these days with their internet and loving parents.

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Brio2, Friday, 27 March 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link

this is interesting. i basically had no idea who she was until this thread bump, since i have no culture at all.

Pic Verry (mattresslessness), Friday, 27 March 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link

well iirc you don't live in new york so

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link

i agree shes a idiot

am0n, Friday, 27 March 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link

1. Fran Lebowitz
2. Barbara Bush
3. Joan Rivers
4. Quaker Oats Guy
5. Leon Wieseltier

upcoming 92nd St Y panel discussion on men's style & the future of the internet w/ Joan and QOG via google hangout

in-house pickle program (m coleman), Saturday, 28 March 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link

I'm with Fran. Living in an age when every grossly obese girl/guy can walk around the neighborhood in yoga pants and Uggs because - "Hey! You're beautiful. OWN IT!" - there have to be limits. And dressing dogs - jeez. She's sharp.

And brio2 OTM re: her observations re: the cultural devastation of AIDS in the docu. Didn't she say something to the extent that it levelled the field (disastrously) and opened the way for *everyone* to be an "expert"?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 28 March 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link

Living in an age when every grossly obese girl/guy can walk around the neighborhood in yoga pants and Uggs because - "Hey! You're beautiful. OWN IT!" - there have to be limits.

fuck this nonsense

swae lee is the sremmurd for rae dad (crüt), Saturday, 28 March 2015 13:20 (nine years ago) link

Come to NYC in summer, then. You'll love it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 28 March 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link

No Uggs, but certainly flip flops all around.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 28 March 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link

I couldn't even tell if capitaine was being sarcastic cause ilx is generally not a place where people are complaining that overweight people are wearing clothes you don't want them to.

yes commentary about people dressing dogs, so sharp, so edgy. all her generational commentary is esp sad since she doesn't appear aware of how lucky she was to be born in a generation where you could turn bon mots about algebra and hipsters into an actual career rather than, idk, 30 twitter followers.

iatee, Saturday, 28 March 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link

yes, the democratization of humor! no wonder nothing's funny.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link

that thing about the writer's stealing board made me lol cuz it is exactly how writing works

mainlanders are cute with their flipflop horror

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 28 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link

also the boomers are prob the only people in history simultaneously capable of deluding themselves into thinking they are their children's best friends and of worrying that they shouldn't be

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 28 March 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

Several millennials I've met do say that their boomer parents are their best friends. Which I just do not get.

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 28 March 2015 23:49 (nine years ago) link

there's no cultural divide, boomers and millennials have a lot in common

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 29 March 2015 02:48 (nine years ago) link

Drugs

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 29 March 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link

otm, the greatest generation never bragged about how good the owsley acid was, or biker speed, or quaaludes

flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 29 March 2015 03:10 (nine years ago) link

neither do boomers who shouldn't be set out with the recyclables

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 March 2015 03:12 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Social Studies is really great. Builds on the first but shows evolution.

calstars, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 03:05 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

"I never imagined that I would live to see a day where people talked about television all the time. I’m astounded by the number of people who — do you realize how much TV you’re watching? Thousands of hours. Thousands of hours. And people now think it’s like a requirement. I have to go, I have 75 episodes of such and such I have to watch. I’m not saying these shows are not good, I’m just saying maybe if I was three years old and I imagined I had this amount of time ahead of me, I might start pursuing it."

http://www.wmagazine.com/story/fran-lebowitz-doesnt-have-a-cell-phone-but-knows-everything-that-happens-on-social-media-anyway

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

what a profoundly uninteresting woman

yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link

she is the greatest, always was, always will be

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link

"Hamilton," probably, and it should have been the last thing anyone ever saw. I saw it on Broadway the night before it opened. Have you seen it? It is the only thing I have ever seen that was better than people said it was.

stopped reading

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link

There are moments, such as on a recent-ish appearance on Bill Maher's show, where she's starting to sound a bit fogey-ish, but yeah, like 98% of the time she absolutely rocks.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link

this thread is the ONLY time i am ever reminded of fran lebowitz.

scott seward, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link

The last time I was reminded of her before this thread was bumped was when I saw her trotted out in the Candy Darling documentary to make casually transphobic remarks, but with an air of fogeyness more than of conscious malice.

one way street, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 20:32 (eight years ago) link

I'm barely aware of her but she comes across as a sanctimonious boor in that interview

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link


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