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US to ‘evaluate’ stance after Netanyahu rules out Palestine

State Department spokesman Jen Psaki says that Netanyahu’s comments on a Palestinian state mean that “the US is in a position going forward in which we will be evaluating our approach to achieving a two-state solution.”

She also did not rule out rescinding its UN Security Council veto against anti-Israel resolutions.

“The fact that (Netanyahu) has changed his opinion certainly has an impact,” Psaki adds.

Psaki says the US and Israel will continue their close military, intelligence and security cooperation.

She adds that “we don’t think that his win has impacted the Iran negotiations or will.”

– Rebecca Shimoni Stoil

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:52 (eleven years ago)

figure that should thrill some. i do wonder about the practical implications of the US withdrawing its automatic veto tho. let's assume they'd continue to veto hostile measures like sanctions + military interventions - what does that leave? lots of condemnations no doubt, resolutions for establishment of a pal state maybe, but anything that might make an actual impact on Bibi admin policy? you can't force Israel to end the occupation w/out actual leverage...

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:55 (eleven years ago)

AIPAC bloc in US prez election would now be delivered to Donald Trump

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:01 (eleven years ago)

AIPAC is pretty strongly committed to bipartisanship, and they are really unhappy w/ the Bibi/Obama relationship. I think maybe ZOA bloc is more what you're thinking.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:03 (eleven years ago)

I don't think O has the domestic support to really call Bibi's bluff here.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:03 (eleven years ago)

I assume AIPAC and Hillary love each other

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:04 (eleven years ago)

O is unilaterally in charge of all US UN policy isn't he? And he's not running for reelection. Presumably he can do what he wants?

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:05 (eleven years ago)

that's technically true but idk if he'll conclude it's worth it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:10 (eleven years ago)

for one thing it would make Hillary run to his right on the issue (which the GOP will already do), and whatever short-term accomplishments he got would then be undone by the next administration

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:11 (eleven years ago)

well esp if it won't have any effect beyond demonstrating his displeasure - then it's an expensive symbolic move

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:12 (eleven years ago)

In other news-

The Pentagon is unable to account for more than $500 million in U.S. military aid given to Yemen amid fears that the weaponry, aircraft and equipment is at risk of being seized by Iranian-backed rebels or al-Qaeda, according to U.S. officials.

....“We have to assume it’s completely compromised and gone,” said a legislative aide on Capitol Hill, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-loses-sight-of-500-million-in-counterterrorism-aid-given-to-yemen/2015/03/17/f4ca25ce-cbf9-11e4-8a46-b1dc9be5a8ff_story.html

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:21 (eleven years ago)

ick

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:25 (eleven years ago)

then it's an expensive symbolic move

obama's not averse to costly symbolic moves

drash, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:55 (eleven years ago)

more than $500 million in U.S. military aid

The important thing is that the US manufacturers of all these weapons and war materials were fully compensated by the US taxpayer, so the workers in those factories had good, well-paying jobs, the executives earned fat bonuses, and the stockholders reaped heavy dividends and capital gains. It's a win!

Aimless, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 21:00 (eleven years ago)

do i get to count losing $500 million in weapons and not even knowing if the houthis or al-q got it as an fp failure?

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 21:04 (eleven years ago)

I'm pretty sure there would be a good black market for that stuff in a dozen different countries in Asia and Africa, so there's no reason to make bold assumptions about who ended up with it. It was probably exchanged for somebody's ready cash, though.

Aimless, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 21:23 (eleven years ago)

costs to export are huge and there's an active market in Yemen so I assume someone there has them

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 21:34 (eleven years ago)

Someone with tens of millions of dollars to spend, which would limit the clientele I presume, if you chose to confine your sales to within Yemen.

Aimless, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 23:43 (eleven years ago)

Plus we now have the House budget and Republicans in the Senate as well (plus the White House) insisting that the Defense Department needs even more money at the same time they suggest cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Plus no one is gonna have a hearing on this and ask why the CIA and the NSA and defense were not more aware of the strength of the Houthis in Yemen. Oh, same ol' same ol', but still frustrating

curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:56 (eleven years ago)

air strike on Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi's presidential compound in aden this morning

Mordy, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:01 (eleven years ago)

any of that stuff fit for airstrikes? ^

Mordy, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:02 (eleven years ago)

aw, the drones look pretty cute.

a cocoanut rink (how's life), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:06 (eleven years ago)

http://www.unmanned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/raven-b.jpg

"Wheeeeeeee!"

a cocoanut rink (how's life), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:08 (eleven years ago)

WASHINGTON — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday walked back statements made during campaigning rejecting the possibility of a two-state solution, telling NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, “I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution.”

Netanyahu’s first post-elections interview was delivered to the US news TV station, indicating a focus on calming tensions with Washington, which have risen steeply following a sharp right turn by Netanyahu in the final days of his campaign.

“I haven’t changed my policy,” Netanyahu insisted. “I never retracted my speech at Bar-Ilan University six years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes a Jewish state.”

“What has changed is the reality,” he continued. “[Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas] the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state and has made a pact with Hamas that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so that we can realize a vision of real, sustained peace. I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution, but for that, circumstances have to change.”

lol dude will say anything

Mordy, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:27 (eleven years ago)

to Andrea Mitchell

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:29 (eleven years ago)

I thought your position was he hadn't said anything different, anyway?

(You will hear anything)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:33 (eleven years ago)

"I will continue negotiating in bad faith like I have been from day 1. I dont understand what the big deal is"

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:35 (eleven years ago)

my "position"? i thought he had said weeks before the election that he was against the two state solution and that he was reaffirming that the day of the election. it seems that he wants to emphasize the nuance that he is against a two state solution /now/ bc of current circumstances but not eternally. idk if this counts as a total reversal or not. i believe bibi will say whatever he needs to to whomever he needs to. but i do think this pseudo walkback suggests he won't be giving bennett the freedom to push the annexation idea - which counts a reversal in terms of my expectations for his future administration.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:38 (eleven years ago)

Matty Y vox piece from last year about public support (or lack thereof) for 2ss:
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/16/5897921/one-thing-israelis-and-palestinians-agree-on-they-dont-like-the-two

Strikingly, this conclusion that 27 percent of Palestinians and 35 percent of Israelis favor a two-state solution is likely an overstatement of the actual level of popular support.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:51 (eleven years ago)

so IS hates the Houthis too eh. no surprise there but yet another instance where US non-involvement seems best, as neither side really shares our interests

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:38 (eleven years ago)

houthi is iranian backed

Mordy, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:05 (eleven years ago)

yeah no mystery

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:08 (eleven years ago)

when are they gonna get tired of this sunni/shia thing

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:09 (eleven years ago)

clown columnist Tom Friedman has the answer on how to stop Iran:

Now I despise ISIS as much as anyone, but let me just toss out a different question: Should we be arming ISIS? Or let me ask that differently: Why are we, for the third time since 9/11, fighting a war on behalf of Iran?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/opinion/go-ahead-ruin-my-day.html?ref=opinion&assetType=opinion&_r=0

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:10 (eleven years ago)

Oniony

Betel-chewing Equipment of East New Guinea (Tom D.), Friday, 20 March 2015 17:11 (eleven years ago)

"Why are we, for the third time since 9/11, fighting a war on behalf of Iran?"

Excellent question.

Mordy, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:11 (eleven years ago)

the frenemy of my frenemy is my frenemy

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:14 (eleven years ago)

Answer: Iran is much smarter than us.

Mordy, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:14 (eleven years ago)

eh that's a bit of an overstatement

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:16 (eleven years ago)

Apparently he thinks US should have somehow stopped Al Queda but not tried to stop the Taliban because the Sunni Taliban anger the Shia Iranians...

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:30 (eleven years ago)

Iran has smarly taken advantage of a non-local bunch of ignoramuses interfering in local politics, I don't think that makes them geniuses (the Dubya admin were total idiots obviously, Obama is more pragmatic I think, and has been loathe to commit the huge amount of resources previous admins were eager to)

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:35 (eleven years ago)

this is news to me. were these Jews not paying attention to things he actually said/did before or what? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/21/us/netanyahu-tactics-anger-many-us-jews-deepening-a-divide.html?_r=0

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 18:25 (eleven years ago)

“My greatest thrill is that Netanyahu was able to pull off a feat that in my opinion was not only good for the morale of Israel and the security of Israel, but finally put Obama in his place,” said Rabbi Shoham.

racists be lovin other racists eh

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 18:29 (eleven years ago)

Petraeus interview:

Yet despite that history and the legacy it has left, I think Iraq and the coalition forces are making considerable progress against the Islamic State. In fact, I would argue that the foremost threat to Iraq’s long-term stability and the broader regional equilibrium is not the Islamic State; rather, it is Shiite militias, many backed by — and some guided by — Iran.

These militia returned to the streets of Iraq in response to a fatwa by Shia leader Grand Ayatollah Sistani at a moment of extreme danger. And they prevented the Islamic State from continuing its offensive into Baghdad. Nonetheless, they have, in some cases, cleared not only Sunni extremists but also Sunni civilians and committed atrocities against them. Thus, they have, to a degree, been both part of Iraq's salvation but also the most serious threat to the all-important effort of once again getting the Sunni Arab population in Iraq to feel that it has a stake in the success of Iraq rather than a stake in its failure. Longer term, Iranian-backed Shia militia could emerge as the preeminent power in the country, one that is outside the control of the government and instead answerable to Tehran.

Beyond Iraq, I am also profoundly worried about the continuing meltdown of Syria, which is a geopolitical Chernobyl. Until it is capped, it is going to continue to spew radioactive instability and extremist ideology over the entire region.

Any strategy to stabilize the region thus needs to take into account the challenges in both Iraq and Syria. It is not sufficient to say that we’ll figure them out later.

What went wrong?

The proximate cause of Iraq’s unraveling was the increasing authoritarian, sectarian and corrupt conduct of the Iraqi government and its leader after the departure of the last U.S. combat forces in 2011. The actions of the Iraqi prime minister undid the major accomplishment of the Surge. [They] alienated the Iraqi Sunnis and once again created in the Sunni areas fertile fields for the planting of the seeds of extremism, essentially opening the door to the takeover of the Islamic State. Some may contend that all of this was inevitable. Iraq was bound to fail, they will argue, because of the inherently sectarian character of the Iraqi people. I don’t agree with that assessment.

The tragedy is that political leaders failed so badly at delivering what Iraqis clearly wanted — and for that, a great deal of responsibility lies with Prime Minister Maliki.

As for the U.S. role, could all of this have been averted if we had kept 10,000 troops here? I honestly don't know. I certainly wish we could have tested the proposition and kept a substantial force on the ground.

For that matter, should we have pushed harder for an alternative to PM Maliki during government formation in 2010? Again, it is impossible to know if such a gambit might have succeeded. But certainly, a different personality at the top might have made a big difference, depending, of course, on who that individual might have been.

Where I think a broader comment is perhaps warranted has to do with the way we came to think about Iraq and, to a certain extent, the broader region over the last few years. There was certainly a sense in Washington that Iraq should be put in our rearview mirror, that whatever happened here was somewhat peripheral to our national security and that we could afford to redirect our attention to more important challenges. Much of this sentiment was very understandable given the enormous cost of our efforts in Iraq and the endless frustrations that our endeavor here encountered.

In retrospect, a similar attitude existed with respect to the civil war in Syria — again, a sense that developments in Syria constituted a horrible tragedy to be sure, but a tragedy at the outset, at least, that did not seem to pose a threat to our national security.

But in hindsight, few, I suspect, would contend that our approach was what it might — or should — have been. In fact, if there is one lesson that I hope we’ve learned from the past few years, it is that there is a linkage between the internal conditions of countries in the Middle East and our own vital security interests.

Whether fair or not, those in the region will also offer that our withdrawal from Iraq in late 2011 contributed to a perception that the U.S. was pulling back from the Middle East. This perception has complicated our ability to shape developments in the region and thus to further our interests. These perceptions have also shaken many of our allies and, for a period at least, made it harder to persuade them to support our approaches. This has been all the more frustrating because, of course, in objective terms, we remain deeply engaged across the region and our power here is still very, very significant.

Neither the Iranians nor Daesh are 10 feet tall, but the perception in the region for the past few years has been that of the U.S. on the wane, and our adversaries on the rise. I hope that we can begin to reverse that now.

Mordy, Friday, 20 March 2015 19:10 (eleven years ago)

good interview

drash, Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:44 (eleven years ago)

Suicide Attacks at Mosques in Yemen Kill More Than 130

Mordy, Saturday, 21 March 2015 15:09 (eleven years ago)

x-post--I wanna see a Petraeus interview that asks him-- "we spent x amount of dollars training the Iraqi military, we spend x amount of dollars on CIA and NSA, how did you guys fail so miserably in training their army and in not realizing till too late how Maliki's policies would fail?"

Or is it ok for Petraeus to just put it all on Maliki, and hint that Obama should have somehow forced Maliki and the Iraqi Parlament to let the US army stay long?

curmudgeon, Saturday, 21 March 2015 15:55 (eleven years ago)

Army guys always think the army could have solved everything if only...

Οὖτις, Saturday, 21 March 2015 16:56 (eleven years ago)

Re Yemen, Juan Cole asserts:

The Houthis also fought local Sunni radicals who had joined al-Qaeda. Although conspiracy theorists see the Houthis as Iran-backed, they are in fact largely a local movement with local grievances and their form of Shiite Islam is very different from that in Iran.

and Six southern Yemen provinces have announced that they won’t follow directives from the Houthi government in Sanaa. There is also just in general a strong secessionist movement in south Yemen, which doesn’t want Mansour Hadi or any northerner as president and wants an independent South Yemen (which existed 1967-1990 before unification).

Confusingly to me he also notes that Hadi is a northerner but has now set up his own rump government in the South.

Aso, I know that Mordy has his own issues with blogger Cole.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/03/bombing-shiite-conflict.html

curmudgeon, Saturday, 21 March 2015 18:32 (eleven years ago)


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