on twitter? lol
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
on twitter? oh no, i dont respond to anyone!
― anvil, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
phew
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
SV talking sense
― prole, you'll be a yeoman soon (wins), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
I like the McGill piece too - it has empathy and intelligence - although it fails to acknowledge the stranglehold that nuance-free dogma has over all areas of the political discourse, and the consequent doom of any intellectual approach that doesn't appropriate cultural (and therefore commercial) methodology. Would like to see it reposted to Hoos' activism thread
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
one of its strengths imo is that she was writing about the specific community she had experience w/ + not drawing conclusions to "all areas of the political discourse"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
Fair. I wonder if there are areas of political discourse that escape the trappings of dogma, though. Hers is a very widely-applicable cautionary tale. I'd like to see how she attempts to effect sociocultural change going forward
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
yes, very good article; personally relate to a lot in it
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
magill piece is ok I dont have much time for the personal/confessional "let my experience teach u about the woooorlllld" type of piece even when it would suit my argument
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
But the personal/confessional angle is what rhetorically enables her to make her critique (e.g. "I will not mention a single sin that I have not been fully and damnably guilty of in my time"). All those disclaimers & qualifications & acknowledgments-- deftly done & rhetorically necessary for her addressees (within the radical left) to hear her.
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
her whole point may be that it soecifically does not. being right makes you right and anyone can make any point.
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
well maybe more rhetorically clever than entirely ideologically self-consistent but i think you can say "experience can be very valuable" w/out reducing it to "experience is the only thing of value"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
idk maybe who cares
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah, that's one of the interesting things about the essay. She deploys her personal ideological bona fides ("I was/am one of you") to render her argument persuasive; but one of the things she argues is that personal/group ID (like a shibboleth) is not determinative of political rationality or truth. (She uses a ladder in order to dispose of the ladder at the end.)
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
fair analysis, you could argue it a dozen or ways I guess
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I relate because I'm very familiar with that rhetorical situation-- having to very carefully navigate political discussion, hedging and qualifying, maintaining your bona fides and walking on eggshells (I'm not, by temperament, an egg-crusher— though that sure seems like fun sometimes).
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
i wonder if being "right" or speaking "truth" is an important part of politics
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
one v other, or either
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
either
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
getting made and getting paid are the two main components iirc
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
"Kimmel said Kanye West had told him, Kimmel, that Obama calls him, Kanye, at home."
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 March 2015 10:58 (nine years ago) link
did Kimmel ask kanye if Obama calls kanye and Kim kimye also could kanye, Kim (or kimye) tell kimmel if they think Barack was born in kenya
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 13 March 2015 13:05 (nine years ago) link
Barack in the USSR.
Have they used that one yet?
― Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2015 13:10 (nine years ago) link
No because it doesn't exist.
― nashwan, Friday, 13 March 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
Never stopped them before.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
His live sets are notoriously unpredictable. At the Wireless festival in London last summer he was reportedly booed after pausing the music to offer the crowd an extensive mid-set rant. On the other hand, his Watch the Throne tour with Jay-Z was regarded as one of the greatest hip-hop tours ever.
Whatever else might happen, it’s unlikely West’s Glastonbury appearance will be uneventful.
The Guardian is Glastonbury’s media partner.
― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Monday, 16 March 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
sure
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 March 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
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― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
With two huge bags of chocolate, a heap of fondant icing and a little help from a master chocolatier, Zoe Williams and her children create a homemade version of the Easter classic
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:35 (nine years ago) link
Who needs Creme Eggs
Creme Chickens
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:36 (nine years ago) link
is this thread just where dudes c&p sentences from whatever guardian page they're on at the moment because i often struggle to see the worseness in many of these
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:36 (nine years ago) link
to each his own - i just personally find an article about someone making creme eggs with their kids to on the bemusing side of tedious and vapid.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:38 (nine years ago) link
well that's saved 50p then
― cgi bubka (NickB), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:40 (nine years ago) link
the last step in the recipe is somehow selling an afternoon of your life to a global news website, that covers the cost of the entire thing
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:43 (nine years ago) link
i just personally find an article about someone making creme eggs with their kids to on the bemusing side of tedious and vapid
Pretty sure it's not aimed at you though. Or me either tbf, and I haven't bothered to read the actual text but the piece itself is surely actually of some use to ppl with kids, right? Which puts it above a lot of space-filling lifestyle shit you read.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:51 (nine years ago) link
the piece is kind of fun, and i'm interested in how to make a creme egg even if i'll never do it, and i think zoe williams is often very good.
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
Perhaps they should replace it with an article in which Zoe Williams reads solemnly from Doktor Faustus, a child on each knee, pointing out the parallels to the rise of fascism.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
the daily mail isn't aimed at me either
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
(I don't actually like Zoe Williams at all but this seems harmless enough)
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
it's completely harmless. personally i don't like the presumption that we should care about a columnist's life. people bake things with their kids all the time - that's great, but i don't need to read about it in the paper. the world does not revolve around your classic family home.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:56 (nine years ago) link
god this thread is bullshit
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:57 (nine years ago) link
take it easy - people are entitled to an opinion
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:58 (nine years ago) link
"this feature doesn't address my interests as a 30something single childless male" = the guardian is worse than it used to be
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:59 (nine years ago) link
Would actually read.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link
Isn't the point that readers should care about how to make Creme Eggs with their own kids? Most parents I know are desperate for novel ways to keep them occupied for an afternoon.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:01 (nine years ago) link
yeah its the process, not the cheapness nor making them tastier than actual creme eggs, i'm guessing
though it would not be hard to improve on hershey-era creme eggs, but that is another story
but yeah this is about women and kitchens and domestic life and therefore not important or deserving of coverage in the guardian, do i have that right?
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:03 (nine years ago) link
This is genuine Phil McNulty vapidity though.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:04 (nine years ago) link
stevie OTM. Most of these recent examples are harmless.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:04 (nine years ago) link
Meanwhile they continue to publish cobblers like this.
I'm not really sure what Guardian readers are supposed to gain by reading Simon Jenkins on any subject but still ffs.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:11 (nine years ago) link