V For Vendetta: The Movie

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OK, i will re-read this -- "Enjoyable fluff, better than Batman Begins, but since it's based on a graphic novel, why should we take this hokum seriously?" -- and try to edit out the rampant snobbery.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Since when is criticism snobbish? Besides, this particular graphic novel was gauche about its politics if not stupid.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

blanket dismissal of medium = snobbish

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think if you'd used "the" or "a crappy", people would have gotten the point you appear to have meant to make.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey, I made it pretty clear after several posts that I meant this particular graphic novel. But if we're going to be churlish I might as well admit that I don't think much of Westerns either.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Listen, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to be churlish.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Not to mention the consequences if there's any more of this gauche, if not stupid, hokum.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

yeah sorry I see we went over this upthread... anyway my opinion of this movie has steadily declined over time. Another crappy movie dressed up as a commercial for "revolution".

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

We can't wake up those churls, tombot.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

But if we're going to be churlish I might as well admit that I don't think much of Westerns either.

Unless they feature cowboys fucking each other, apparently.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

That was Brief Encounter with faded jeans.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Without David Lean's visual swooniness.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

There were a lot of points in V where I thought to myself that Ridley Scott could have made a much better point, or a prettier picture, out of something from the source material. And I figure if that's one of your main problems with a film, and you happen to be me, then it's not too bad.

Though frankly I would watch Aeon Flux again before I watched this.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey, it strikes me that you are on tenuous ground calling out Alfred on this thread considering your stances taken on the "find someone all of ILX likes thread" vis a vis entire groups of people. Groups of people v. art genres, t/s?

Until you brought up Aeon Flux I basically agreed with you, Tom. It strikes me that Dan and I, having not read the graphic novel, are in a better place to watch the film judging by the amount I also agreed with him on the thread, but I think that is actually true with all films based off of books.

Except DaVinci Code, that was shit no matter which way you look at it.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

The timeline with the virus versus the incarcerations is what threw a problem into it for me--it is definitely possible that the timeline is that the party was powerful, then was losing power in a democratic system, did experiments on the political prisoners, then released the virus to regain power via fear obviously but I don't think it was explained well at all. Then again, it's the Wachowskis, they're pretty much incapable of explaining a point when it gets more complicated than "I know kung fu."

Natalie Portman was not terrible in this, and I thought the movie was very well done for the most part. Could've done without the fucking bullet time in the amazing ninja murder in the tube sequence.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

yes Ally, genres are groups of people.

wtf are you on about?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I found the tube scene to be the worst in the film. In the film V was supposed to be the ugly yet necessary monster, the violent but needed-for counter-reaction to the fascist regime, which is why I saw little purpose for the gratuitious aesthesized violence in that scene, escpecially since the rest of the movie had surprisingly little of that.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I know you relish disagreeing with me at every opportunity (for some reason I can't quite fathom, holding personal internet grudges are pretty silly) but uh, maybe try harder or have a point or something.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think Ally's point was that dismissing entire groups of people is on balance worse than dismissing entire genres.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

(uh are = is there)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

give me a break, saying I don't admire respect or like athletes =/ "dismissing an entire group of people". Its not like I said they should all be shot or something.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

blanket dismissal of medium = snobbish

blanket dismissal of athletes = snobbish

WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

(ref'ing specifically pro athletes there too, btw)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think all graphic novels should be shot, fellas

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

because it annoys you?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

x-x-xpost

allright I'm leaving this thread before this devolves into another ally/tombot internet bully gangbang - have fun

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

we will!

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

(...Tuomas? It's safe, you can come back now.)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

yeah for real I don't mind tuomas' posts to this thread at all!

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

(saying that sounds like dick but I thought that thread would have more of his politics and not as much of his comics love, and was pleasantly surprised)

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Since when is criticism snobbish? [...] I don't think much of Westerns either.

criticism can be snobbish... or not!

i think my point re gainsborough stands, though this might not be the thread for it. 'hokum' is exactly the word critics used for it; and that word is pretty much always snobbish, ie a judgement on people-who-like-the-film: it rests on unstated prejudices about what we should be enjoying.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

Well, sorry, but critics are gonna offend someone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

well yes, but it's a matter of who and how. critics lording their superior refinement and taste over the other schlubs: recipe for shit sandwich. critics offending something that needs offending: ugogirl.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

wtf

― from the lowly milligeir to the mighty gigahongro (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)

WMBB television reporter Nadeen Yanes told her station that the man came up to the podium at the Bay District School Board meeting and said he had a motion. He then pulled out a can of red spray paint and painted a V with a circle around it.

Yanes told the station he pulled out a handgun and started talking. She said school board member Ginger Littleton hit the gunman with her purse and he pushed her to the ground and started firing randomly.

― from the lowly milligeir to the mighty gigahongro (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)

^^ a great example of why concealed weapons should NOT be legal

― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Ghonim, who comes from an affluent Egyptian family, said the activists who organized the January 25 protests intentionally designed their movement to be anonymous and faceless, without a clear leader. He cited the movie "V for Vendetta" as a source of inspiration.

we live in a strange world

― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/anonymous-hackers-to-ben-_n_877337.html

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:34 (fifteen years ago)

so should I see this movie?

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:34 (fifteen years ago)

it's all right

― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:35 (fifteen years ago)

this movie was fucking terrible, so no.

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:38 (fifteen years ago)

sadly it's still the best moore adaptation of them all.

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:39 (fifteen years ago)

no surprise that the graphic novel's better & I should read it first.

this just seems to have become a visual touchstone for a lot of recent protests, not just Anonymous, so my curiosity's peaked

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

the graphic novel is also okay

tbh I got bored and never finished it

― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:46 (fifteen years ago)

i was never too fond of the comic - i've reread it multiple times and cant even remember huge swaths of it - i cant imagine that the movie's anything less than awful

― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

the book is good! i mean it's still overdramatic and hokey and purpley prosed in places but its got a good vibe. (that the movie totally blew out to look like every other overlit slick action thing.)

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

i mean a v for vendetta movie should ideally look more like i dunno an early mike leigh film than transporter 3 but whatta gonna do.

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:51 (fifteen years ago)

This movie isn't awful, but it doesn't even come close to doing the source material justice either. I think it would be a lot lot better by casting someone else in the Weaving and Portman roles. I really love Stephen Fry in it and the visual presentation of the High Chancellor and his cronies was pretty cool.

― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:05 (fifteen years ago)

strongo OTM here

― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

the ending is really badly botched, and no one in the film ever utters the word "anarchy", which is kind of amazing given the source material

― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

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