Neil Gaiman: Classic Or Dud

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wonder if this means Coraline will be decent or not.... i <3 experimental animation and the handmade everything production... but Neil Gaiman?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coraline_(film)

Will refuse to date a Gaiman fan.

Haha, am reading a Gaiman novel at the moment. It's quite good, but basically just Terry Pratchett ripped out of Discworld and slapped onto America. Nothing outstanding, but a pleasant read.

from a place of ignorance I have always had a "ewww" feeling about this person- probably because I think that great literature is already "goth" enough, thanks.

Will refuse to date a Gaiman fan.

oooh handy filter thx

x-post would that be American Gods, Sick Mouthy? That's a pretty good book if so, the only one of his I've read.

Aye, that's what I'm reading. I've also read Anansi Boys, and the one with Pratchett from years ago.

i like Gaiman a lot but generally think his novels are a bit rub. his best work is either Sandman or his children's/YA novels - both Coraline and The Graveyard Book are aces.

Maybe I should revive my Kipling thread for this but I just started reading Puck of Pook's Hill, and the idea behind American God's is basically Puck's monologue with America substituted for England:

'But they didn't all flit at once. They dropped off, one by one,
through the centuries. Most of them were foreigners who
couldn't stand our climate. They flitted early.'

'How early?' said Dan.

'A couple of thousand years or more. The fact is they
began as Gods. The Phoenicians brought some over
when they came to buy tin; and the Gauls, and the Jutes,
and the Danes, and the Frisians, and the Angles brought
more when they landed. They were always landing in
those days, or being driven back to their ships, and they
always brought their Gods with them. England is a bad
country for Gods.

...

They were a stiff-necked, extravagant set of idols, the Old Things. But
what was the result? Men don't like being sacrificed at the
best of times; they don't even like sacrificing their farm-
horses. After a while, men simply left the Old Things
alone, and the roofs of their temples fell in, and the Old
Things had to scuttle out and pick up a living as they
could."

I liked "Good Omens" in my Pratchett years, and now I am twice as old I remember it more fondly than the Discworld series, and my embarrassment at former Pratchett fandom leads me to believe that maybe it was good because of Gaiman, and that I should read Gaiman's other work; but maybe I'm just a little too hasty to deny my disowned teenage canon and swap it for someone else's.

Anyway I saw a band called American Gods last year and they were v good, so perhaps I should have faith in their apparent name source.

(None of this is of any use or interest to anyone else, but what I mean to say is that I'll be lurking around the thread picking up recommendations so I can see which of my kneejerk suspicions is right)

i enjoyed american gods.

it's a lot like the thing he did with early sandman (and moore did with watchmen and top 10, and morrison did with zenith) - rescuing characters from obscurity. is fun on a 'spot the reference' level.

anansi boys has been languishing on my amazon wishlist from before it was published...

Puck of Pook's Hill is great, Clotpoll! The story with the Roman Centurion is particularly atmospheric...

Anansi Boys is pretty unmemorable. I'm quite up for the Graveyard Book, he writes well for children.

I'm looking forward Coraline, but that's really down to being a Henry Selick fan and the hopes that one day he will do something as winsome as The Nightmare Before Christmas again.

what's the current Gaiman/Russell Sandman comic like?

What's that, DV? I can't find any info on it. I love P Craig Russell (I assume that's the Russell in question).

zomg spacecadet we are in oppositeland of teenagedom:

my embarrassment at former Pratchett Gaiman fandom leads me to believe that maybe it was good because of Gaiman Pratchett, and that I should read Gaiman's Pratchett's other work; but maybe I'm just a little too hasty to deny my disowned teenage canon and swap it for someone else's.

Or maybe Good Omens is just good in its own way?

I'LL FORM THE HEAD

I hate Gaiman but I may go see Coraline.

Pratchett gets a bad rap, he's a smart guy - probably smarter than Gaiman, despite being a less gifted storyteller. Not that I'd actually bother to read one of his novels now, but I'm glad I did.

Good Omens is class, even if some of the jokes are pretty dated now. might be the best thing either of them have done.

Hooray for Youtube scrobbler, a great idea!

Oops sorry guys wrong thread I'll go back to the last.fm area...

'Anansi Boys' is a big dull dud, sadly. 'Good Omens' is still good, though.

Anansi Boys was a borderline-racist embarassment.

What's that, DV? I can't find any info on it. I love P Craig Russell (I assume that's the Russell in question).

Russell's writing and drawing an adaptation of The Dream Hunters, the old Gaiman-written Amano-illustrated Sandman prose book.

The voice casting for Coraline looks promising at least: Keith David (cat), John Hodgman, French & Saunders

I love Keith David!

I have high hopes.

Meantime, Newbery Award ahoy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/books/27newb.html?_r=1&8dpc

The film is good -- nice 3D -- even if they added a co-conspirator boy and kinda muffed the 'second climax.'

Of course, it's more American than the book (not just the setting change). I'm kinda curious about what the Stephin Merritt stage musical version will be like...

I am looking forward to this, the animation looks lovely.

Yeah, should be a treat. It will be interesting to compare it to MirrorMask since Gaiman's said that was essentially his own demi-adaptation of the book's story.

the single They Might Be Giants song kinda sticks out, though.

They Might Be Giants? o_O

Quite a bit of the score employs children's choral stuff. Nothing scarier.

ha I thought that was TMBG, other dad even looked just like John Flansberg.

Before this (Coraline I mean) I hadn't seen a 3D film since the red & blue specs days and so maybe I was just a little blown away by what technology now affords but holy shit I really enjoyed this movie. When she first opened the door to the stretchy blue tunnel I actually caught myself gasping.

Also as far as his books go I think I benefited from reading Anansi Boys first of his books, I do still like it but it's not nearly as enveloping as American Gods or The Cemetery Book.

He has a short story about, um, some kids and a weird house in a garden with a warning on it or something I read one night and found actually frightening...I have a terrible memory though and don't remember it's name or what compilation it's from.

Did anyone else see Coraline, then? Just got back from a 3D showing, since those are about to stop, I hear -- great film, echoing Morbz and Nickalicious in praise for it, another Selick slam-dunk and I was pleased to see how relatively packed the theater was for it a couple of weeks after release. Thinking of it, MirrorMask and Stardust as a sort-of group in three different ways to adapt similar variants makes for good contemplation.

mirrormask wasn't an adaptation of anything, i don't think? unless that's not what you mean.

In the promo/commentary/whatever on the MirrorMask DVD Gaiman talks about how MirrorMask and Coraline (the book) were simultaneous riffs on the same general idea -- I forget the exact details.

So, it turns out Lucien the Librarian in Sandman might've been a self-portrait.

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That's quite a lot of books! I wonder what percentage of them he has actually read? Anyway, gotta love the jackalope head on the wall.

Gaiman reads Hiaasen? GET OUT.

Also interesting that he keeps a paperback of Carrie among his multiple editions of Coraline...

Good thing the dude doesn't move very often.

back when i used to read his blog (sigh) i was quite in envy of the fact he had a basement library. it just seemed like the coolest thing you could have. but er that looks like daylight, so i guess he's moved?

loving this comment on the link:

LOL,

My library's about 50% larger, not to mention far more varied. Significant lack of Asian lit in NG's library, lots of pulpish stuff like King. I'm sure that his is more valuable by virtue of some of the first editions I saw in the photos, but he's thin on a lot of literature and important writers (Ellison, Lessing, Grass, Murasaki, Tasso, Calvino, etc) and essayists. FYI, I read 2-3 books a day, which over 30 years brings my personal reading total up to about 25,000 books, most of which I've retained in my personal library

thanks for that dude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackalope

This joke was employed by Ronald Reagan to reporters in 1980 during a tour of his California ranch. Reagan had a rabbit head with antlers, which he referred to as a "jackalope", mounted on his wall. Reagan liked to claim that he had caught the animal himself.