iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

the internet is not tv the barriers to entry ate still lower than any mass medium ever and things will continue to evolve in weird unpredictable ways imho

which is not to say its separate from the strange consumerist corporate global culture we live in

btw as far as on a more nitty gritty interaction level i agree w ppl who are saying likes are a bummer, or at least the counting of like is, same with follower count on twitter, all these stats that encourage gamification of social interactions are very neurotic and unchill and drive so much of what happens on these sites

also tho does everyone need to see that you agree w/ the one millionth post this week on fb attacking anti-vaxxers?

This thread is already very long so apologies if this is OT.
In some ways I like being 'friends' on FB with Ilxors. Some of you post incredibly worthwhile things and it brightens up my news feed no end. Somehow I feel as though I'm interacting with human beings on FB as opposed to an ever-changing hivemind of anonymous display names on ILX. ILX has always been an oracular interface to me. You chuck a stone down the well and often you get a chorus of unfamiliar voices screaming back at you. I'm more 'myself' on FB than I am on ILX. I think I'm smarter as CF than as dog latin, or at least I interact differently. All said it can be a bit of a mindfuck when say, DP and Ned end up in a discussion about sexism with an old acquaintance I knew from school, as did happen a couple of months back.

i think the real problem is that the dude that wrote that article i couldnt finish is on the internet at all

dont click on stuff if u think clicking on stuff is ruining the world

the big reason i don't post anything on Facebook (except for self-promotional music stuff) is because of the weird mix of groups/audiences. i don't feel comfortable talking to my real life friends, the co-workers that have added me, a few relatives, my young people music friends, my old people music friends, internet friends, and rando acquaintances all at once. about anything.

the relatively anonymous, self-selecting community of ILX (or even Twitter) is much more comfortable.

It's true though, that the internet is exactly what you make of it. I get puzzled when I hear people say 'Facebook is boring now'. I can understand them having a problem with the internet and spending too much time on it, but surely how interesting Facebook is is largely down to who you're friends with. All said, I've never had much time for Twitter as I find the short character count extremely limiting and the whole format overwhelming. So maybe I do understand the Facebook-is-boring crew a little more than I care to say.

yeah the forms of the networks are crucial for sure

The Top Stories is the thing that drives me crazy with FB. All I want is every post, in reverse chronological order.

― Jeff, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they had to reorganize their data centers so as to not store copies of everything for each user. but then I agree that they get a bit too creative with the way they present all of this data to the user. just find all your friends' posts and sort that shit chronologically? no, we need an algorithm!

i suspect for most ppl the curated timeline is better, also they never noticed or thought about it

the big reason i don't post anything on Facebook (except for self-promotional music stuff) is because of the weird mix of groups/audiences. i don't feel comfortable talking to my real life friends, the co-workers that have added me, a few relatives, my young people music friends, my old people music friends, internet friends, and rando acquaintances all at once. about anything.

the relatively anonymous, self-selecting community of ILX (or even Twitter) is much more comfortable.

― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:07 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feeling this a lot. whenever i'm about to post something on facebook, i pretty much always think "my mother-in-law will see this"

i love posting audince inaproreate things on facebook gives me a thrill

for awhile after I moved to a new city, I wondered how this one dude grew up to be such a clueless asshole. but he was also from another city, and I learned from reading comments on his fb posts that he actually grew up with a whole community of assholes. so that was good to know.

i think a lot about establishing a separate fbook for my 'adult' self. fbook throngs with family, students, colleagues, etc etc etc. i was much freer on myspace. like in terms of talking abt relationships and sex, or politics. granted that the mechanisms *for* speaking were much more limited. but being on facebook is this horrible collision between intimacy with everyone, and feeling like you're in job-performance mode, meeting a potential client or describing what youve been up to to your not very close aunt. i think it may have actually affected me as a person, maybe even closed me off a bit from precisely those friends with whom i *would* be more comfortable sharing, because we're all on facebook. the connectedness becomes a glass wall at some point.

a separate fb account for the dumb stuff works but you have to care enough to bother with both, and is it worth it? signs point to no

u dont have to have a seperate account u can makes lists or whatever they call them idk ive never done it

i do not envy people who didn't grow up with a strong divide between their public and private selves
it's one of the things i cherish most in life
the expectation that i would need to remove this barrier more than i do is so not gonna happen

to answer the question: no, but my sister ruined facebook

otm. x-post

online is a good way to understand yr offline self

different posts and alter egos for your "friends" and "buds" lists

btw whenever i feel the need for the old, weird internet i go to uppers(nsfw) and it helps satisfy the need a little bit.

Am I the only one who feels like he'd like his fbook feed less, not more curated? That I'd much rather literally everything showed up on it? I mean I guess I'd like to be able to block extremely annoying people but I don't really know anyone that bad. Facebook keeps trying to get me to narrow my feed to who I want to click on but I'd rather it was a mix of everything. Maybe it's just FOMO or maybe its that I don't trust my click instincts to necessarily have my best interests at heart

not because it feels old but because it is weird and fun and full of surprises

Basically I'd rather feel in touch with a genuine cross section of people rather than letting my arbitrary click habits determine who Facebook thinks I care about

i do not envy people who didn't grow up with a strong divide between their public and private selves
it's one of the things i cherish most in life
the expectation that i would need to remove this barrier more than i do is so not gonna happen

― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:30 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Absolutely OTM. I also understand and appreciate, in the abstract, dog latin's point in favor of getting to see ILXors more as real people via FB interaction inasmuch as it's always been hard for me to get a sense of who most people are here. As people and not as goofy, abstract usernames. I don't feel like I've ever found a comfortable middle ground wrt online interactions.

Ned Raggett runs my FB timeline :(

"i do not envy people who didn't grow up with a strong divide between their public and private selves"

feel the opposite! (most of the time)

Ned Raggett runs my FB timeline :(

― 龜, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Love ned of course but sometimes when he shares something I think, no way you care about that man

Am I the only one who feels like he'd like his fbook feed less, not more curated? That I'd much rather literally everything showed up on it?

― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:43 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats the consensus amongst internet power users, everyone else has no idea their feed is being curated but prob likes it better

i hid ned a long time ago (sorry ned)

yeah you have to think fb has run the numbers on this, being that there are billions of dollars on the line

By "likes it better" do you mean "spends more time on it"

ya

tildes ruined the internet

― local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, February 23, 2015 6:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't feel comfortable talking to my real life friends, the co-workers that have added me, a few relatives, my young people music friends, my old people music friends, internet friends, and rando acquaintances all at once. about anything.

OTM. normally everything is ok but occasionally i'll be commenting on something my sister is talking about and suddenly there will be an intrusion of people that my sister doesn't know, commenting/disagreeing/making the funnies and all that, and they don't realize that it's my sister i'm talking to rather than just another person. i guess the solution is to never talk to my sister via facebook or to create a family list and keep my posts to her restricted to that level of access, but...what a massive pain in the ass that is.

Ned runs my timeline as well, but I think that goes back to the curation by algorithm thing. Ned posts lots and lots of stuff that I don't necessarily click on, but I click enough things that Facebook knows that putting his posts at the top results in more clicks/$ from me.

I see a lot of Alfred blog posts in my timeline too

btw, you all realize you can sort the timeline so that it shows the posts in reverse chronological order, right? every few days it'll try to steer you back to the curated algorithm "top stories" mode but you can keep switching it back.

xp nakh-
no, but I am charmed by it, the borgean index especially. the cheerful aphorism-laced mish mash reminds me of early internet days in a few ways bc it also reminds me of my childhood home, chatting to my dad & skimming my parents books. not sure if the peculiar crossover between weightier scholarly subject matter and lighter internet-facilitated browsing goes wider than my own experience but it is a way of thinking + feeling that I hadn't thought about for a long time

― ogmor, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 01:49 (16 hours ago)

yeah it's a wonderful site and that mode of discursive/aphoristic is something to be valued, seldom done so well or with that generosity of spirit and intellect though

that and scaruffi were my favourite personal sites as a teenager and i can't think of anything i've found since to compare to them

now even glenn mcd is working for the algorithm bots : (

btw, you all realize you can sort the timeline so that it shows the posts in reverse chronological order, right? every few days it'll try to steer you back to the curated algorithm "top stories" mode but you can keep switching it back.

Yes, but that is a gigantic pain. In order to follow everything, I need to be able to know where I was the last time. But what if the last time I was reading, I was on top stories, it's all a clusterfuck and confusing. Then I realize that I don't care enough about the content to bother.

Plus FB, still does some grouping out of order. For example in my current TL if I put it to most recent, it has a group of posts, Person X posted 7 updates, and then has a box with two of their updates in it, one 13 hours ago followed by one 7 hours ago.

what the internet needs is more threads about facebook and how shitty it is

hard hitting

what the internet kneads is artisanal bread dough, and the internet is posting about it on facebook.

what i need is your FPs

tildes ruined the internet

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good piece http://www.theawl.com/2015/02/the-facebook-proposition

Plus FB, still does some grouping out of order. For example in my current TL if I put it to most recent, it has a group of posts, Person X posted 7 updates, and then has a box with two of their updates in it, one 13 hours ago followed by one 7 hours ago.

This is likely because a post will get moved back to the top of yr feed if someone's recently commented on it or liked it. This is a neat method to make an old lol post or pic get reposted in peoples feeds btw (something I've seen Roxy and Hoos use to great lol effect and Ive done once or twice myself).

My "unfollow" list is almost bigger than my list of friends at this point, and in addition to this, I have a "locked down" list full of people that are excluded from seeing anything I post. All relatives bar a couple. Many ILXors. This one woman I know who *literally* compulsively clicks like on every single thing everyone posts, to the point it started to feel creepystalky. That One Guy everyone has who posts nothing but SAVE THE GAY LAND WHALES img macros with change.org petition links under it.