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Taking a break from my self-imposed ILExile, but I have to brag: ahem. (WARNING: PRESCIENT SPOILER.)

Too many threads wrapped up too quickly (as though this finale was for the series?!?! re: VM no longer being lock for making the CW schedule next year), which diluted the OMGness of thee BIG REVEAL. But I refuse -- nay, STRONG REFUSE to believe that Keith might have bought it and that the ending "THE MARS ARE GOING TO DELAWARE NYC!!" was a dream, even if the cinematography was washed out like her actual dream sequences in the episode. But (jone) dayam, V's heartbreak at the airport equals ~*tear*~

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Are Logan and Veronica really back together? What was in Kendall's briefcase? Now that Kendall's rich, is she still going to divorce Big Dick and get back together with that one Fitzpatrick guy? What beach is Duncan on? Who won the Kane scholarship? Can Logan and Little Dick still be friends after all this? Who's going to get tagged for the Aaron Echols murder? If Clarence Weidman, Jr. knows how to get in touch with Duncan, does that mean Jake Kane is funding him? Will the newly-rich Logan Echolls give Weevil money to fund his defense for killing Thumper? Is anybody ever going to get convicted of Felix's murder? Will we ever see Logan's Veronica-clone chippy again? Is Lynne Echolls really dead?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I would love more Lynn Echolls followup, for sure. She must have had one or two secrets.

I struggle to care what was in Kendall's briefcase, but I just can't. Still, I loved the finale.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Can Logan and Little Dick still be friends after all this?

What would prevent them from being friends? Little Dick is not his brother's keeper.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

The scene with Veronica and Haaron in the elevator was amazing.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

The cinematography didn't look any different to me when Keith showed up compared to the rest of the episode.

I'm almost disappointed they didn't kill him, really. It seems like that would be a radical move for a series like this. Parents die, but never ones so integral to the series and so connected to the main character - it would be like having the Cohens suddenly die on the OC.

xp - I didn't think about the public linking teh Guttenberg to the bus (only the kiddie-touching), but there's still something unexplained about that situation. Why did they bail out the crazy guy who attacked Woody's daughter?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Parents die, but never ones so integral to the series and so connected to the main character - it would be like having the Cohens suddenly die on the OC.

It didn't work out too well for Eight Simple Rules....

Keith and Wallace are the spiritual core of the show, imo. Killing either of them off (or getting rid of them) would be a huge mistake on RT's part.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of which, now that Wallace has graduated, why not give the poor kid a job at Mars Investigations? Or maybe it'll close up, what with Lamb potentially being the ex-sherrif.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

No Keith = no show.

What would prevent them from being friends? Little Dick is not his brother's keeper.

A few thoughts: 1) Little Dick is now going to be totally on his own, since Kendall's got money, Beav is dead, and Big Dick's MIA. Can Little Dick survive financially or otherwise in that situation? 2) Will Little Dick blame Logan and/or Veronica for Beav's death? 3) Will Logan finally wake up and grow the fuck up? (NOTE: Definitely not counting on this one!)

J (Jay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

The whole season was about disappearing parents--Aaron in jail, the Kanes in exile, Dick Sr. fleeing the country, Dick & Beaver's mom going back to Europe, etc.--so when the plane exploded I had an honest-to-god-what-the-fuck moment. Like, of course this is where it was going, it makes perfect, tragic sense though you'd never expected it. So when Keith turned up alive I was disappointed. Though I suppose I agree with polyphonic and J; it'd be like when Giles left Buffy and that show went to shit.

I thought the finale was terrible, overwrought and ham-fisted where the show is usually cool with moments of genuine weirdness and terror, and far too implausible. It felt like they conveniently rewrote several characters and wrapped up too many loose ends.

"My name is CASSIDY" ugh.

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

hmm, i liked "My name is Cassidy." It was the only part of that entire scene that rung true to me.

I guess I've arrived at a point where I've stopped expecting the show to make any sense or have any real consistency of character.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I would add that if I was under the impression that my father had been blown up in a plane explosion, I would probably not go to sleep. I would probably be at the airport waiting for news.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Meg's parents hired the guy to find Woody when it became apparent that he was involved in her death. Pretty straightforward.

This was the mystery though: WHY was it apparent to Meg's parents Woody was involved in the bus crash? He was never a suspect, except at Mars Investigations, and even then pretty late. And the janitor had been harassing the Goodmans for awhile. So the implication was that the cabal of parents with dead kids that was set up in the first episode knew something we were meant to find out, only... we didn't.

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I liked it, if it turns out to be the last ever episode I'm going to try to convince myself that the Keith dies/dream-ending idea upthread is what actually happened, because that's loads better.

The bit with the briefcase - really lazy way to try to create suspense. But I did like the bit in the dream at the beginning where the writers took the piss out of the parallel universe cliche where a much loved character has something horrible happen to them because a seemingly meaningless event never happened ("Wallace Fennell? You didn't hear...?")

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Also--just to keep the complaints rolling--dramatically this episode was way off. Keith has just been killed in an explosion, Beaver has jumped off the roof to his death, Aaron has been assassinated, and now here's the really BIG scene: Jackie confessing she hasn't been entirely truthful about being a barista?!

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Haha, great point.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

This was the mystery though: WHY was it apparent to Meg's parents Woody was involved in the bus crash? He was never a suspect, except at Mars Investigations, and even then pretty late.

I'm guessing that Lamb either put out an APB for Woody in connection with the bus crash (subtlety never was his strongpoint), or actually called the Megs himself. Reno isn't his jurisdiction, so someone other than he would have to find the guy.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

I saw this show for the first time last night. All I have to say is that there sure are a lot of vampires in Sunnyvale.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

What the briefcase holds doesn't matter. (FYI, it's Marcellus Wallace's soul.) What does matter with the briefcase is that because of it, Keith stood up Veronica!

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the dream about graduation if Lilly hadn't died was maybe the best part of the episode. is it wrong that I thought Wallace looked hot with the glasses? I hope that actor is at least 18...

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

Have just checked, he's 23. Younger than me, but only by a month, fantastic.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I just assumed the briefcase was filled with money.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:45 (twenty years ago)

this ep. phew. heavy stuff and lots of

I didn't realise it was the finale! wasn't ready for it all to come to a head

so many diff things happening

didn't really like aaron being killed and duncan on a beach (just don't like duncan, really)

beav...

didn't see it coming at all. even thought veronica might be wrong, when she was first calling mac. so many fake outs. what a bad wee guy! thought the "my name is CASSIDY" was fine but it seemed designed to make you feel a bit "sorry" for him or "understand" him or "something" but he was just a bad wee guy, in the end

I don't think I have much more to say about the ep, just now!

however

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what are most of you guys talking about?

the beach duncan was on was one in australia like they managed to make the words on the screen say as we saw him on the beach. don't think we would have been able to see kendall and her briefcase and have the opportunity to wonder what on earth could possibly be in it (I think there's a small chance that there might have been some money in it) if it had been a dream and keith were really dead

this show would not be better, for keith dying

the move to new york looks set, w/ jackie and wallace there and veronica on her way. who else will go w/? keith? logan? v possible. less likely: cliff

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would be a shame and I would miss characters like eli and lamb and cliff and so on. I forget that there are so many characters

yeah, logan's mum could be back and veronica's, of course. someone mentioned weevil's trial for killing thumper--I never really thought he died! thought he was tied up in a toilet somewhere else, like the fpatrick bar. would they have been able to have a telly on in somewhere primed for demolition I don't really think so. the fpatricks, too--doesn't seem like there was any kind of conclusion, there, either

maybe we could have another season, in neptune, and veronica can defer entry to stanford and work a summer and we can have our loose ends tied up and free up weevil and cliff and people to move to new york

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

There are no signs of a New York move. Jackie might be there, but Wallace has a scholarship in Neptune (and come on, Jackie isn't a loss to the series), Keith and Veronica are just going there on vacation.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

oh, shit, yeah

I went on that tangent because I thought wallace would stay w/ jackie and because of that began thinking stanford was in new york and that it was all ready

I take back all my new york talk

jackie would be no great loss, no

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Thumper's dead. He was tied up the restroom of a stadium that was demolished.

Not enough wonderment at my forward-thinking brane, possibly because people are hyperlink adverse, so stand in awe of me now:

I bet it was the Beave who sabotaged the bus~

-- Leeeeeeeeee (leeee...), October 9th, 2005 6:19 PM. (link)

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I believe ~ denotes sarcasm, in some cultures

well done, though!

if thumper was in the stadium, that's a bit weird

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Thumper was in the stadium - the people blowing the stadium up found his bike in the carpark, but left it there because they didn't want to postpone the demolition.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

I remember that

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

watching that ep back, yeah, there was something about the way it was put together that made me think that thumper was watching the demolition on a telly (knowing his bike was inside) in the bathroom and he was not--he was looking up because he heard distant booms and not because he saw the demolition on a telly even though that's how it kind of looked

sorry, again!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

spoilers page on twop says next season's listed cast is as follows...

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

I like the sound of this -

Question: It seems pretty obvious that Veronica will be at Hearst College next year and the serial rapist story line will also show up again. Can you give us some other clues about what to look forward to next season? — Jessica

Thomas: The biggest news is that we will be going to a three-mystery-per-season format next year. This way, the mysteries will play uninterrupted by repeats or preemptions. We're hoping this will help us cast guest stars in smaller arcs, allow newbies to jump in easier, and lessen the too-much-going-on complaint we heard in Season 2.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I don't really think Keith being alive was a dream, but the end of the episode felt a little weird to me.

and yes, they fixed things so that Wallace, Veronica, and Logan will all be in Neptune next year, at the very least. Weevil will probably be in jail--sob!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 12 May 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe cliff will be his lawyer--yay!

RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 May 2006 06:08 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
just finished the season two dvds

with this and studio 60, i really wish i had cable

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Both those shows are on free tv, don't need cable. Season 3 starts tonight I think.

svend (svend), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

unless he lives in an apartment (generally = shitty over-the-air reception in my experience).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

i do need cable because that is what the service is called which brings broadcast programming into my house. i have a television but it does not have cable hooked up to it (neither literally nor figuratively) and i get no reception in my house between two hills. the whole not-having-cable thing is mostly a lifestyle choice and so, i will gladly download every episode of VM ... but especially after watching those last two S2 episodes, i would appreciate some commercial breaks, if only to catch my breath.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

see the VM withdrawal is already making me cranky. john ennis popping up on studio 60 made me happy but the show is a distant second behind VM.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

The ending of the last season was a bit too Scooby Doo, though.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

it's true, but i appreciate them trying to keep so many balls in the air. it sounds like the S3 mini-arcs will be a nice change of pace.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think it will help a lot.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

this does start tonight, right?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

It starts tonight.

KOZEN LAHREE, you could just pause the downloaded videos during breaks!

Did I mention I made out w/ KB backstage once?

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

apparently it's been streaming on MSN.com for a week.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

i could smoke less crack, yes

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished S1 (I got it for $20 at BestBuy) and it's sooooooooooooooo fuckin good. I just need to figger out a way to watch S2 w/o a computer or spending too much money.

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

sign up for a Netflix trial and then cancel after you've gotten S2 out of the way.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i watched the streaming season three episode one a few days ago... if you can ignore the bizarre and unlikely happenstance of all the returning characters deciding to attend the same local college, it's good stuff.

i hate watching them on TV though... one a week! i watched the first two seasons like six or eight episodes at a time.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Could someone link me to the stream? I can't find it.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)


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