― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)
Urine isn't a problem. It is, for the most part, fairly sterile. You can actually drink it if you absolutely had to.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)
― Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)
Police fought a losing battle to stop widespread looting and the sweltering city of 480,000 had no drinkable water and no electricity. SHARKS WERE REPORTED SWIMMING IN THE STREETS and even the Superdome – a shelter of last resort for 20,000 people – was at risk from the rising waters.
― JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)
Wednesday August 31, 2005
Mark SchleifsteinStaff writer
The catastrophic flooding that filled the bowl that is New Orleans on Monday and Tuesday will only get worse over the next few days because rainfall from Hurricane Katrina continues to flow into Lake Pontchartrain from north shore rivers and streams, and east winds and a 17.5-foot storm crest on the Pearl River block the outflow water through the Rigolets and Chef Menteur Pass.
The lake is normally 1 foot above sea level, while the city of New Orleans is an average of 6 feet below sea level. But a combination of storm surge and rainfall from Katrina have raised the lake's surface to 6 feet above sea level, or more.
All of that water moving from the lake has found several holes in the lake's banks - all pouring into New Orleans. Water that crossed St. Charles Parish in an area where the lakefront levee has not yet been completed, and that backed up from the lake in Jefferson Parish canals, is funneling into Kenner and Metairie.
A 500-yard and growing breach in the eastern wall of the 17th Street Canal separating New Orleans from Metairie is pouring hundreds of thousands of gallons of lake water per second into the New Orleans area. Water also is flowing through two more levee breaches along the Industrial Canal, which created a Hurricane Betsy-on-steroids flood in the Lower 9th Ward on Monday that is now spreading south into the French Quarter and other parts of the city.
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned Tuesday evening that an attempt to plug the holes in the 17th Street Canal had failed, and the floodwaters were expected to continue to rise rapidly throughout the night. Eventually, Nagin said, the water could reach as high as 3 feet above sea level, meaning it could rise to 12 to 15 feet high in some parts of the city.
Louisiana State University Hurricane Center researcher Ivor van Heerden warned that Nagin's estimates could be too low because the lake water won't fall quickly during the next few days.
"We don't have the weather conditions to drive the water out of Lake Pontchartrain, and at the same time, all the rivers on the north shore are in flood," he said. "That water is just going to keep rising in the city until it's equal to the level of the lake.
"Unless they can use sandbags to compartmentalize the flooded areas, the water in the city will rise everywhere to the same level as the lake."
This isn't the first time that the 17th Street Canal has proved to be a hurricane-flooding Achilles heel. Following a 1947 hurricane that made a direct hit on New Orleans and Metairie, officials were unable to clear floodwaters from Metairie through the canal for two weeks.
Sewage from a treatment plant that stagnated in the canal created enough sulfuric acid fumes that nearby homes in Lakeview painted with lead-based paint turned black.
The slow-motion flooding of the south shore mirrors a similar flooding event during Tropical Storm Isidore, when weather conditions blocked water from leaving the lake as heavy rainfall pushed its surface higher and higher, causing extensive flooding in low-lying areas of Slidell a day after the storm had passed by.
Van Heerden said water flowing through New Orleans. back door used a weakness that he and many others have been concerned about for years: a V-shaped funnel formed by the joining of the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet and the Inner Harbor Navigation Channel. Storm surge as high as 18 feet pushed through the funnel, into the Industrial Canal and on to the lake. It's that surge water that is thought to have caused breaks in the Industrial Canal levees breaks that lake water is now flowing through into the 9th Ward.
Water entering that funnel also is thought to have topped levees surrounding Chalmette and eastern New Orleans, causing extensive flooding in both places.
Van Heerden said that if there's a silver lining to this disastrous event, it's that the eye of Katrina didn't go directly over or to the west of the city. If that had happened, the storm surge could have been much higher and would have directly topped levees all along the lake and much more rapidly filled the bowl, which would have meant an even higher death toll than is anticipated from this slow-moving event, he said.
This flood event contains many of the features used by federal, state and local planners early this year to begin shaping what was supposed to be a catastrophe recovery plan for New Orleans: failed pumping stations, breached levees, rooftop rescues, makeshift medical triage zones.
In drawing the plan, officials assumed that it would take several days to a week before enough manpower and equipment could be staged to deal with many of the problems they're facing now, such as how to close the breach in the 17th Street Canal.
There, the problem is how to close the hole quickly. Strategies suggested during tabletop exercises indicated it could take several days to position barges and cranes in place to more permanently fill such a gap, assuming it was part of the worst-case, storm-surge-driven flooding scenario.
The slow-motion reality of the collapsing canal wall has the state Department of Transportation and Development and the Army Corps of Engineers working into the night to plug the breach and try to stem the flooding in Lakeview, West End, Bucktown and large swaths of East Jefferson.
A convoy of trucks carrying 108 15,000-pound concrete barriers - like those used as highway construction dividers - was en route to the site Tuesday night, said Mark Lambert, chief spokesman for the agency. Helicopters will lift the barriers above the hole and drop them in place, even as another 50 sandbags, each weighing 3,000 pounds, are also being maneuvered into place.
"That's 800 tons of concrete," Lambert said. .What we are trying to do is just stop the water from going into the city."
More difficult will be the overtopping of levees along the Industrial Canal caused by the high lake water flowing in. Lambert didn't say how the state would address that problem.
The problems caused by floodwaters will only get worse, according to van Heerden and the earlier tabletop exercises. For one, if the water in the city does rise to the height of levees along the lakefront, it may be difficult to open floodgates designed to keep the lake out that would now be needed to allow the lake to leave. Van Heerden said the rising floodwaters also would cause major pollution problems in coming days, as they float dozens of fuel and chemical storage tanks off their fittings, severing pipelines and allowing the material to seep into the floodwaters.
"In our surveys of the parish, a lot of the storage tanks we looked at weren't bolted down with big bolts," he said. "They rely on gravity to hold them down. If an industrial property is 5 feet below sea level and the water gets to 5 feet above sea level, that's 10 feet of water, and I'm certain many we looked at will float free.
"You'll see a lot of highly volatile stuff on the surface, and one spark and we'll have a major fire," he said.
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
The feed from Interdictor's 11th floor hideaway on Poyadras St., on the corners of Camp and St. Charles. On a ten second delay, apparently.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)
This is like some end-of-days, Tom Clancy/Stephen King shit.
Events like this make it clear how tenuous a toehold the concept of civilization” really has, huh?
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)
― stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)
― Note Sticky, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
Yes. Matter of fact, all the kooks have. Alex Jones is calling the Superdome a concentration camp, while christian kooks are claiming that the hurricane was revenge for gambling, prostitution, homosexuality, and NO's abortion clinics.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)
― Sticky NOtes, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)
3:18 P.M. - WWL-TV's Thanh Truong reports the water from the Lake is rising to meet with the River in Uptown.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
3:10 P.M. - (AP) President Bush flew overhead in Air Force One to assess the damage in Southeast Louisana and the Gulfport-area of Mississippi.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
"Daddy, the top came off."
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)
Dude sure does like lookin' out airplane windows.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)
expo
― Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
Did you hear about the man in Queens who had his gas station torn down by the head company because he refused to raise prices? He said it was nonsense and that there was no reason to raise prices because gas was still the same price. Within 2 weeks, officials came to Queens and took his gas station apart!
― Stickynotes, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/31/0836/62623
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
The stories are coming in a rush and nearly all of them are miserable.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)
At least one person is comparing the evacuation of New Orleans to the situation in Gaza.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)
Meanwhile:
Searching for Jesus' finger
Wednesday, 2:10 p.m.
In the garden behind St. Louis Cathedral on Royal Street lies an incredible tangle of zig-zagging broken tree trunks and branches, mixed with smashed wrought iron fences.
But right in the middle, a statue of Jesus is still standing, unscathed by the storm, save for the left thumb and index finger, which are missing.
The missing digits immediately set off speculation of divine intervention.
New Orleans has a long history praying to saints for guidance and protection in times of great peril. In fact it was Our Lady of Prompt Succor who was said to be responsible for saving the Ursulines Convent in the French Quarter from a raging fire that consumed the rest of the city centuries ago.
Since then, New Orlenians have prayed to the saint for protection from natural disasters. On Saturday, Archbishop Alfred Hughes read a prayer over the radio asking for Our Lady's intervention to spare the city a direct hit by Hurricane Katrina.
Many in the Quarter are now saying it was the hand of Jesus, the missing digits to be precise, that flicked the hurricane east just a little to keep the city from suffering a direct blow.
And the search is one for those missing fingers.
Shortly after Katrina passed, several men went to Robert Buras, who owns the Royal Street Grocery and told him they know who has the finger. Buras said he'd give them all the water and beer they need if they bring him the finger.
They told him they'd find it and asked to be paid upfront. But Buras told them he wouldn't take it on credit
"I'm going to find Jesus' finger,'' Buras said. ''I've got a lead on it.''
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)
it's in a grilled cheese sandwich.
― stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)
It would have been easy to miss, Milo, but Blount upthread posted an article (linked to the words "aw shit" or something like that) which stated that the petro lines that go to Atlanta would be directly affected by the rigs affected by Katrina. So, it's a special case there, much to the misery of driving Atlantans' wallets.
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)
I'm glad his pace his picking up.
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)
Platoons of Christian soldiers were dispatched to the city's remaining Wendy's.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
well it's not like they'd send him in the middle of the damn thing. not that i'd mind, but...
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)
Otherwise, we just wasted a lot of fuel for some doof to go "Man, I guess that IS bad, huh?"
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)