jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

Yeah, sorry I didn't cite medical journals or whatever. When I claimed there was a rise, I was basing it on information from smart, informed friends dealing with these problems.Celiac creeping up much faster than nuts, for sure. I know one friend of my older one, a babysitter and the sitter's dad who all have it. And yeah, when they go to restaurants or parties or whatever and ask for gluten free, people roll their eyes. Apparently it gets old fast, as do ill informed people thinking gluten issues are not based in science, based on all the fad people.

https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/562719029518159875

I wish I could get a shot that makes me artistic.

We have an equivalent of NVIC here in aus that used to call themselves AVN or Austraian Vaccination Network. As you can imagine, the misleading name suckered in a lot of on the fence/worried parents who'd read and fall for all their mercola-based bullshit.

Our govt legally forced them some time back to change their name. Glorious.

This article (This Is What It's Like To Be An Unvaccinated Child) and its attendant comments are about as straightforward as it gets: first-hand accounts of people who suffered various health problems because they went unvaccinated as children.

I can't remember, did this thread link to the Roald Dahl letter?

http://roalddahl.com/roald-dahl/timeline/1960s/november-1962

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/rand-paul-was-long-time-member-of-group-that-promoted-autism#.swkyWx40eV

He just tweeted a pic of himself getting a vaccine; we'll see if he walks it back after yesterday's double down. What the heck, nobody's brought up his waffling re integration (on the Rachel Maddow Show) in quite a while.

About that alleged moment in 2008 when Obama seemed to give the anti-vac moment a little breathing room.

"A later analysis demonstrated that when Obama said, “this person included,” he was referring to the person who had asked a question, not himself"

Fuckin Vox, what is with them and their litany of "post whatever and apologise later that its wrong" BS?

haha I saw that clip didn't at all -- not for a sec -- think he was referring to himself. Is that the fucking flashpoint?

In writing I can see it being misleading yeah - though why would he use such odd 3rd person phrasing.

good lord, someone I know and otherwise respect just poo-pooed the vaccine/autism correlation by claiming 'everyone knows GMO's do this' and posting this up: http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025-warns-senior-research-scientist-at-mit/

If in 2025 - 10 years! - half of the kids in America are autistic, I will be totally convinced of ... something.

There's probably <i>something</i> in the water/air/food, but vaccine adjunctives don't seem to be the culprit.

The Japanese eliminated mercury containing thimerosal in MMR vaccination by 1993, but it had little effect on the trend of autism diagnoses.
http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/vaccines/noMMR.jpg

ple of hours and nothing more, but i'm somewhat certain that this isn't the ceiling on my possible reaction. my wife likes peanut but we won't have it in the house. i was worried about our kid inheriting it from me but he was served a peanut butter and jelly sandwich at a friend's place while he was over there and was 100% okay so bullet dodged i guess (i was still pissed tho.) the shit's no joke!

We had the same worry about my daughter, but there seems to be little or no genetic element to it. She's free of it, and our allergist found some research showingeven identical twins only have very low correlation between nut allergies (less than 10%)

Autism = older fathers, but rich white people don't wanna hear that.

I don't know if "=" is the sign you're really looking for there, though there's some correlation

Seriously. Our bodies fall apart faster than many people realize. Fertility rates drop in women starting at around age 29 or so, then really plummet after 35, which must be a challenge for someone who has, say, gone to grad school and landed a good job and wants to start a family. God only knows what's going on in men as they start pushing 40, 50. Surely there must be studies correlating parent age and autism rates, right?

Also the idea that older fathers and autism are phenomenon somehow limited to white people is gross and erases some very real and very serious problems, ie http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/08/23/342688183/for-parents-of-young-black-men-with-autism-extra-fear-about-police.

Real question: are older men really having more kids than they used to? Both sets of my (very catholic) great-grandparents were popping them out well into their 40s. Sure the age that people have their first kids are higher in the first world just not sure if overall the median age of parents has shifted much...

why would fertility have an effect on probability of autism specifically?

I dunno specifically, but this is the webmd overview:

Making a baby requires a healthy egg, but eggs become more scarce as you age. You're born with about a million eggs, but most of them never mature. By the time you reach puberty, you're down to half your original supply, and the number continues to fall each year. And not every egg that survives can make a baby. Even in your prime, about half of all eggs have chromosomal abnormalities, and the proportion of eggs with genetic problems increases as you age, explains Dr. David Adamson, president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine. Eventually, you simply run out of viable eggs. "As of today, we have no way of changing that," he says. "It's the natural course of human life."

So I guess "even in your prime, about half of all eggs have chromosomal abnormalities, and the proportion of eggs with genetic problems increases as you age" is the link between all sorts of potential things and age.

My limited understanding of this is that there is less correlation with mother's age than father's for autism.

so i should freeze my sperm now, is what you're saying

tryin to terrify me this AM?

xp (not scared of the frozen sperm)

so i should freeze my sperm now, is what you're saying
--I dunno. (amateurist)

Until we find out old sperm results in some other thing, I guess.

Meant cold rather than old

spreading peanut butter over every visible surface of my environment atm

Hultman, C. M., Sandin, S., Levine, S. Z., Lichtenstein, P., & Reichenberg, A. (2011). Advancing paternal age and risk of autism: new evidence from a population-based study and a meta-analysis of epidemiological studies. Molecular psychiatry, 16(12), 1203-1212.

Offspring of men aged greater than or equal to 50 years were 2.2 times (95% confidence interval: 1.26–3.88: P=0.006) more likely to have autism than offspring of men aged less than or equal to 29 years, after controlling for maternal age and documented risk factors for autism.

http://i57.tinypic.com/314aviu.gif

why is it worse for california?!

more likely to lie about age?

Could simply be the comparative likelihood of older vs. younger parents to seek a diagnosis, or different diagnostic criteria in the local medical culture.

what happens to that chart when the men over 50 spread peanut butter on their balls before ejaculating?

I bet there would be a reaction.

chart sticks to taint

X-posts: Yes, the "=" was a bit flippant and not intended to be a complete description of the noted corellation and possible cautions. This, however: "Also the idea that older fathers and autism are phenomenon somehow limited to white people is gross and erases some very real and very serious problems" is absolutely true but that idea is not in anyway what I was saying with "rich white people don't wanna hear that".

strike "cautions", replace with "causations". Tired and fighting the flu, against which I am not immunized because then aliens would steal my luggage.

California moving to make vaccinations mandatory: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-bill-would-eliminate-personal-6062871.php

wow. hope it passes. this will probably bring the debate way out into the open (more so than it already is), and that's a good thing, i think.

Dems control 2/3rds of the legislature, this will pass

i don't think this is partisan issue, is it? some of the districts with the lowest vaccination rates are firmly liberal districts.

i mean, mississippi has the best vaccination rate.

there are no majority anti-vaxxer districts, is the thing.

also there's zero bipartisanship, so don't expect any GOP districts to vote for this

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/chi-measles-palatine-20150205-story.html

cool maps

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/mapping-measles-vaccine-coverage-around-the-country

A former acquaintance posts on FB that her MMR vaccines sent her into cardiac arrest and begged the pro-vaxxers to quit bullying people over a personal choice.

I dunno if the vaxxes really did it but the "personal choice" shit infuriates me because your personal choice impacts others and is made on behalf of your spawn.

This friend wants to play it off like it's the same thing as getting enraged that your friend isn't a fan of Huey Lewis' s Sports.

maybe if hating Sports gave babies measles.