Is this the Juno thread?

That one guy that hit it and quit it OTM all the way

Trying to figure out who Juno talks like, going through a list of actresses/characters like Janeane Garofalo, maybe Darlene in Roseanne...

Then it hit me... Christian Slater!

Thought it sucked, btw.

This movie made me shit blood.

Can we declare the hyperbole sweepstakes on this flick officially over?

this movie made me miscarry.

Overall I liked this movie a lot but still think it would be an abomination for it to win Best Pic. Though I haven't seen any of the other nominees, so who knows? Maybe this is the best of them.

you're right, it would be an abortion for it to win Best Pic.

If we're being honest many way worse movies than this have been nominated. Chocolat comes to mind.

...unless it's the Crash of teen preg movies.

(in that case, Jon Stewart will have hosted the two most loathsome Oscar shows evah)

I would take Chocolate and Crash over this movie. I would take a snuff film starring my grandmother, holding a kitten and softly pleading for her life, over this movie.

Let's not go overboard here, people. We all know Crash is the very worst movie ever made.

I fucking hated Crash like it had violated my mother. But Juno makes me more angry.

I feel like half the people posting in this thread take a bad way, way, way too personally. I mean, jesus, don't watch it if it's going to give you an anger aneurysm.

the aneurysm almost happened after the movie, dude.

I just don't see the point in getting so worked up over a shitty movie. I usually just shrug and regret the two hours I wasted, I don't spend weeks feeling angry over it.

Maybe if a person didn't have every other person in their life spend the weeks and weeks asking you, enthusiastically, "have you seen Juno yet?!"

Everyone I know who saw Juno is on the backlash bandwagon, so I get to be the one who sheepishly says "I kinda dug it but I understand the criticism I guess" because it's too slight to defend with any vigor.

People are hating this movie for the rong reasons. They're getting worked up about the "issue" of abortion, when the movie isn't a morality tale or an after-school special. It's a comedy about a singular person in an individual situation. Then they're mad because of all the "indie signifiers", because they are still under the delusion that they somehow possess the magic key to jaded enlightenment and non-mainstream culture, as if these music / artists / or ideals will never cross over. Like, "Hey, other assholes are listening to MY MUSIC, and to add insult to injury, they're thriftshopping too!" Get over it. I don't hear clear arguements against the script, performances, production, etc.

And so, I ask again, what exactly is the bar for Teen Dramedy if not Juno?

I thought it was a nice little movie but it would never have occurred to me that it would be Oscar nomination material.

And so, I ask again, what exactly is the bar for Teen Dramedy if not Juno?

That Hannah Montana/Jonas brothers concert movie. And I'm fine with that.

Also, in my day, we had Good Burger.

Get over it. I don't hear clear arguements against the script, performances, production, etc.

Dude, have you read this thread at all?

how do you separate the script and the movie, espesh in something like juno

Oh, I'll argue against the script, homeskillet.

I'm fo shizz up the spout about the script as well.

And so, I ask again, what exactly is the bar for Teen Dramedy if not Juno?

I'd go with "Freaks & Geeks."

Also, has this already been linked to?:

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/20583820.html#cutid1

("pages" from "'Diablo Cody''s next script"; couple of laughs)

i dunno, i think the entire problem with the movie was the script

yes that fake script was already linked and yes stripper devil is the whole problem with Juno.

To top Juno it's genre we've been offered Good Burger, Freaks & Geeks, and Hannah Montana.

Mmkay.

isn't the genre 'decent but not outstanding story marketed as a quirky little indie outsider in a transparent attempt to excuse literary preciousness and myriad dramatic shortcomings?'

see also: wes anderson, sophia coppela

To top Juno it's genre we've been offered Good Burger, Freaks & Geeks, and Hannah Montana.

Mmkay.

-- Bobbi Peru, Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:24 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Would agree with all three of these.

Plus, y'know, heathersghostworldadvdboxsetofdaria etc etcetc

Daria had a much better soundtrack as well, they played that "You're Never There" tune by Cake once.

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Funniest teen movies were the 80s ones like Ferris Bueller and Heathers.

Ferris' shower speech is 10x cooler/wittier than anything Juno comes out with.

he had better taste in music too.

he had a cabaret voltaire poster in his room!

Again, Juno defender here, but I pity the fool who prefers it to Freaks and Geeks.

Heathers was satire. Ferris Bueller was comedy.
Freaks & Geeks has dramatic elements, but is way over rated.
Overall I'd go with Ghost World, too, for teen drama.

Satire isn't comedy?

I originally asked what the bar for teenage "dramedy" was (drama / comedy), and I don't believe that Heathers or Ferris Beuller would qualify in the drama department. Is all.

teenagers aren't allowed to go to the bar

congrats to news international for winning the independent spirit awards last night.

I think the people are overhating "Juno" here (myself included) because this movie is the ultimate "mainstream" indie icon. And a lot of it is just hate by association (for instance, I live in Canada and it reminds me of all these bands who appear on the cover the weekly music mags and then I feel like throwing up). It just feels so tired and so old for 2008. It's really not that bad otherwise, it just came out at a very wrong time.

it isn't -- nor has it ever been -- indie. it is a $7.5 million dollar film cannily (and heavily) marketed at probably much more than twice that budget.

You cruel cynic.

yeah, i guess i could see it as the movie equivalent of the strokes.

Remy, I think that's part of the problem people have with it, though. In its mass-market designs, it represents the oversaturation of a particular "indie" aesthetic that had started to grow stale by the end of the 1990s but somehow took on a new place by being subsumed into the mainstream in the early-to-mid 2000s with Seth Cohen wearing ringer tees on The O.C. and Modest Mouse in car commercials and such.

"took on a new life," I meant. It's late.

it IS late.

i didn't completely hate this but I don't get either the glowing praise or the bile thrown at it.