Americanisms that will never, ever cross over into the UK

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hey, i thought of a few canadianisms that will never make it to the uk, do those count?

double-double (a coffee w/ 2 creams, 2 sugars)
bunny hug (a hoodie)
buddy (means "that guy" ie. Hey, did you see buddy's hat? Lame)

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

bunny hug (a hoodie)

????

Ms Misery, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

xxxxxxxposts.. but isn't the england/wales/scotland landmass called Albion?

never acid again, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Saskatchewan, don't ask me.

I'm from "midwestern Ontario," where we drop the letter T from a lot of things. I lived in Tiverton (Tiver'n) in Bruce County (Cowny) for eight years. We have no fun words. Although I do remember the word "kife" meaning steal, but this may have been more than a regional thing?

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

holy shit, that was a UK thing?! why the fuck did we use it in the Bruce?

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea "twat" could rhyme with "fat," I've actually corrected someone who said it that way

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

To be fair the Brit vowel is a sort of in-between sound that I don't know the official marks for, but it's not the midwestern twangy "feeyat" either.

Laurel, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea "twat" could rhyme with "fat," I've actually corrected someone who said it that way

man alive!

blueski, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

a few people in the US use it that way, but no one in the US pronounces it that way

gabbneb, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

to be fair I checked this before correcting them

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/twat

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

In my understanding, the United Kingdom used to refer to England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. When (most of) Ireland became independent in the early 20th century, the United Kingdom began to refer to everything except for that area. Great Britain is pretty much the same thing, except it doesn't include Northern Ireland. I have no fucking idea how the Isle of Man and Jersey and Guernsey and whatever other random islands you have factor into this.

jaymc, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

Shetland! Orkney!

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

One of the best Canadianisms is "toque," since there's not really any equivalent word in the US (we just say, like, "winter hat").

jaymc, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea "twat" could rhyme with "fat," I've actually corrected someone who said it that way

"you fackin' twat"
"i think you mean 'twot', my good sir"

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

Really? Toque isn't used elsewhere? I feel so ethnocentric, not knowing that.

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

people in the US use "toque" to refer to chefs' hats; I wasn't aware there was any other use

gabbneb, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

whaaaaaaaaaat! chef's hat!

ok my mind is now blown along with everyone else's. a toque is a (usually) wool winter hat!

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

it's just 'chef hat' to 99% of Americans though, although we all suspected it had a french fancy name.

tremendoid, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

WTF do kids call winter knit hats? For the life of me I can't think of the slang-y term for them.

Ms Misery, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Beanies.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

This confusion is all just a matter of Ireland being grouchy about imperialism, though, right? Cuz the objection doesn't seem to have much merit any other way, per the way I've always understood this:

- coherent group of islands = British Isles / Britain
- the biggest island among them = Great Britain

So the Irish grouchiness seems based on allowing the "Great Britain" designation to turn the people on it into the "British," as opposed to the Irish, until eventually Irish people are like "fuck no we're not part of Britain" -- i.e., kinda mussing up the political/geographical senses of the word and rolling them together? But of course at present the UK doesn't claim full ownership of the "Britain" word -- it's "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (and miscellaneous islands)," isn't it?

nabisco, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Beanies.

Nah, I'm thinking of something else. Besides beanie really means a smaller, usually more rigid, hat. Rather than the knit ones which can roll down past your ears.

Ms Misery, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Granted, it would be annoying if your island were not THAT much smaller than the next one, and history was still like "this one is GREAT Britain, and they are going to come take all your stuff and call you savages, but don't worry, you're part of Britain too!"

nabisco, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

I HAVE HEARD PLENTY OF AMERICANS USE THE WORD TOQUE TO REFER TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF WINTER HATS.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 29 June 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toque

gabbneb, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

also used: toboggan, which i had no idea what was being referred to the first time someone accused me of wearing one.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 29 June 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Canadian variant
Main article: tuque
In Canadian English, "toque" is also a common alternative spelling of tuque (IPA: (tuk)), a knit woollen winter hat, originally worn by French-Canadians but now a staple of the Canadian winter wardrobe. This "fashion" originated when coureurs des bois kept their woollen nightcaps on for warmth during cold winter days. The Canadian Oxford Dictionary regards the use of toque for this hat to be assimilated from the etymologically unrelated French word tuque

i.e. there's something very canadian about that word

gabbneb, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

I have only ever heard "toque" from Canadians and then actually it was pronounced "tuke". We called knit winter hats uh stocking caps? Or just winter hats. XP yes!

Laurel, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

lol cold people

tremendoid, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea "twat" could rhyme with "fat," I've actually corrected someone who said it that way

"you fackin' twat"
"i think you mean 'twot', my good sir"

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I don't get British humor

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

toque is also used colloquially to refer to chefs themselves, i.e. "Top Toque"

gabbneb, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

'beanie' has come to encompass almost every type of knit hat in the last maybe 15 years in my neck of the woods.

tremendoid, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

SHUT UP ABOUT THE CHEF HATS

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 29 June 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Nabisco's basically right about the Britain thing, except, you know, "grouchiness" is kind of understating it. Given the history and all.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beanie

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

vindication never felt so comfy

tremendoid, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

It would work better if people had ever used the term "British" to refer to all the people of the whole island group -- which we can't really do now, since there's no good alternative form for people from the UK. (UKer? Great Britisher and/or Northern Irelander and/or Miscellaneous Non-Irish British Islander?)

nabisco, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

I know it's pedantic but I'm referring to a knitter's/seamstress definition of hat styles.

I'm going insane b/c I can't remember the name I'm thinking of.

Ms Misery, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

It would totally be fun to refer to someone as "Great British," though.

nabisco, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

pejorative sense etc.

blueski, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

vindication never felt so comfy

I still don't trust an Angeleno when it comes to winter hats, though.

jaymc, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

vindication never felt so comfy

That would make a great tagline for a movie.

x-post: My folks are from the upper Midwest and this is how they referred to it.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

The best Canadaism that will never catch on anywhere (but wish it would) is when Canucks tell you about their drinking last night and mention "my head hurts, I had 9 beer last night". That refusal to pluralize beer to beers is so charming.

sanskrit, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

The island of Ireland is geographically part of the British Isles. I'm stunned that so many people, particularly British people who went to school here, don't know this.

That Irish Republicans don't wish to be associated with the word British is neither here nor there. There are many Brits who don't want to be associated with the word European but changing continents to suit ones political will is a bit tricky*.

*Isreal in Eurovision/European football doesn't count

onimo, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

xpost Is it because Canadians are surrounded by moose and deer?

jaymc, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe they actually mean "9 deer"

Ms Misery, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

gabbneb's diagram:8080

http://qntm.org/files/uk/uk.gif

onimo, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

yes, yes, yes...but what did Bugs Bunny mean when he munched on a carrot and said "nyyyyaaaahhhhh.... what's up doc?"? Was he asking what was the matter, or was he saying what's happening, or was he just saying hello? THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

oooooo nice

nabisco, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

*Isreal in Eurovision/European football doesn't count

They're not in Europe!!!!

(This is a passionate argument held around May time every year in our house)

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)


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