Nathan Barley comes to TV

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possibly a peter doherty type would fit in series 2. i also wanted more of 'weekend on sunday' because the mainstream papers have taken on a lot of hoxditch stuff, esp the guardian. i will miss it when it's gone anyway.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Henry, that's because the fashion editor is Mrs. Groove Armada.

Charlie Brooker interviewed Nick once for some BBC internet/computers thing that used to be on Radio 1 around the time of Stars Forever (I was told this when I interviewed CB for TvGoHome book and had moved from 'interview' to 'drink') and pronounced him both nice and interesting. I think Nathan Barley's twattishness comes from a combination of illiteracy, opportunism and Englishness.

BTW there is a 'thinkpiece' about Peter Doherty in the latest issue of Edgy Style Mag which is waaaaay too referential/reverential (did everyone catch the documentary last week?)

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And ESM "think piece" about Junkie Pete?

::rolls around on the floor in a delight of outrage::

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Mandy has partly negated Pete.

Ste, doesn't the Hoxditch mentality still make room for countrywide/global 'icons'? I think 15Peter20 would agree.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think stefani has the underground/faux-underground cachet, she's properly popular so doesn't need the approval of sugar ape. i met someone who's thick with vice uk the other night, and he liked bright eyes. morris would relish bright eyes, i think.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

B, perhaps, but I still don't 'get' a lot of NB even though it's the only programme I look forward to at the weekends. Figure that one out.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

But for the record I thought the last ep was the best yet.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I can relate, Ste (though my reply was actually aimed at Sven).

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, haha, um, oh dear.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Charlie Brooker interviewed Nick once

In 1999? The same year he invented Nathan Barley, yeah?

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Reading through that Cunt Compendium, I'm hugely disappointed to discover the term 'fuckchest' isn't my own creation.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the other line in that 'Bad Uncle' song? Did she say "pain - the pain of a monkey"?

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, yeah. Bonobo syndrome, don'tcha know!

Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad -- to have a bad uncle
Bad -- to have a bad uncle
Pain -- pain of a monkey
Pain -- pain of a monkey

I needed -- needed a friend
To help -- help me to mend
But I found friends could be bad
With this experience I had

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

SHE WAS FUCKED BY HER UNCLE... ONLY SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN UNCLE, SO IT'S MUCH WORSE.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, if it had been like this from the start... Though I suppose that Claire in particular benefits from a gradual graying of her character. I like the Jonathon:Dan::Nathan:Claire thing.

"straight on straight gay scene" is a classic Chris Morris line.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

While the actor who plays Dan is great, I think the one who plays Nathan is really good, albeit in a more restricted role. The look on his ratlike face after "my uncle abused me!" where he tries to figure out if The Pull is still on is fantastic.

Claire's last scene: it's not clear whether she's unaware that her allegation against Nathan is false (if it is), or whether she knows, but is still pissed off at him/the world for ruining her story.

I can't decide whether Morris/Brooker seems to be parodying Morris with Johnathon Yeah?'s prank.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Claire's last scene: it's not clear whether she's unaware that her allegation against Nathan is false (if it is), or whether she knows, but is still pissed off at him/the world for ruining her story.

The models are 6 years older than their stated ages. We know and accept Jonatton's explanation on that at this point. Claire knows and accepts this. But because Nathan thought he was having sex with a 13 year-old girl (and actually ejaculated with this thought firmly in mind), Claire decides that, morally, he did have sex with a 13 year old girl.

Actually, this theme runs through the whole series. People only think Sugarape magazine is called Rape (they don't see the "suga" but cos it's small), but it's okay, say the mag people, because it's really called Sugarape. The models only look like they're 13, but it's okay, because they're 18. Even Nathan's haircut only looks like it's messy, in fact it's carefully-wrought and expensive. ("Like it's been done at random," explains Nathan, "but if you look closely, you can see that it hasn't, except, you can't tell that?")

I can't decide whether Morris/Brooker seems to be parodying Morris with Johnathon Yeah?'s prank.

Of course there's a reference to the Brasseye pedophilia special here. Morris sees a spectrum of ways of being wrong in this kind of situation. You can be wrong like "the idiots" and hide behind moronic irony, or you can be wrong like Claire and cling to an idiotic literalness, persecuting people for thought-crime. It's the style press versus the tabloids, in a way. Both are fixated on the virtual rather than the real. Both make realities out of perceptions. The criticism here is somewhat Platonic. The whole of Nathan Barley could be situated in Plato's cave, an extended critique of people who think shadowplay is reality. Media people, people like me. And like Morris and Brooker themselves. So it's certainly auto-critique.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But if it's "the style press versus the tabloids", maybe it's not auto-critique. Brooker writes for The Guardian. Perhaps the safe moral ground is broadsheet ground. In other words, this is a "chattering classes" look at style / tabloid culture. Which explains the 700,000 viewer figure. 700,000 people is exactly the circulation figure of a broadsheet newspaper in Britain.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

'exactly'?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

But because Nathan thought he was having sex with a 13 year-old girl (and actually ejaculated with this thought firmly in mind)

I'm not sure that's clear - he seemed panicked and also past the point of no return. I don't know whether there was an element of Momussian* pleasure in among the actual nervous system stuff.

*is the same sense as Sadistic - described by rather than experienced by.

xpost - It would be great if a broadsheet started printing just under their general readership: Are _you_ one of the Observer 700,000?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty clear that Nathan was "almost" undone by his choice of words following Jonathon's revelation - neither Claire nor Nathan knew she was "13" until she saw the mag and phoned him.

Speaking of fucked-up 13 year old girls, that movie from last year was pretty good.

BARMS, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno - nathan was at the shoot. i think he thought the girl was 13. he was worried at the end when claire started telling everyone he'd got a blowjob off a 13 year old. but it's todally unresolved.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

People only think Sugarape magazine is called Rape (they don't see the "suga" but cos it's small), but it's okay, say the mag people, because it's really called Sugarape

Incidentally, has the "Suga" now been dropped? I'd need to rewatch it to make sure, but I seem to rememeber the mag covers just saying "RAPE" this week. I guess the Suga maybe just got even smaller though.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'suga' is inside the 'hole' in 'R'.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It was pretty unreadably small even at the start.

Enrique - I don't think the staff knew about the 13 thing, because it's not like they're shy about the clever tricks they're playing on everyone ("but because we got to touch them, we kind of are, yeah?"). Also Nathan isn't Sugarape staff.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Thread title has come full circle, incidentally.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, well played.

he was worried at the end when claire started telling everyone he'd got a blowjob off a 13 year old.

"She's only 13-years old!"

"What?"

&

"As far as I'm concerned, Nathan, that was a blowjob off a 13-year old."

BARMS, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the actor playing Nathan Barley has been watching David Brent a little too closely

My Son Calls Another Man Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I thk morris is too wiley a pop stylist fr that to pure popped-under-the-radar the actor's acting, I dunno wht morris is at tho, allowing it.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"... fr that to be..." obv

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand what you're talking about.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't someone say upthread (or offthread) that Chris Morris has acknowledged Ricky Gervais as an influence? Anyway, Gervais is planning his own Nathan Barley, but his is about actors.

"This summer’s must-see is Extras, his barbed view of working actors set in green rooms and on movie sets. “We touch on my favourite sins — desperation and ego,” Gervais says. “I get more material from the egos of actors than anything else. And it has always fascinated me, the way actors talk about themselves. “Actors are usually, on the whole, thick, desperate, untalented and always thinking, ‘What about me? What about me?’” Apart from that, Gervais refuses to be drawn."

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmmmm, I just find the Gervaisness of his performance to be pervasive

My Son Calls Another Man Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

... and unpersuasive

My Son Calls Another Man Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

but you like the sugarape boss.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

as for gervais's refusal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/images/bbc/150ricky_yctv_portrait.gif

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, this Extras thing doesn't really sound a million miles from HBO's Unscripted, at least in concept. Although I doubt it'll have the same "aw, these poor dumb actors have a rough time" tone.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The tiny audience figures signal that there's fat chance of a second series coming along, which is a shame. But ripping the piss out of Vice magazine isn't exactly broadcasting, so what do they expect?
That last episode was easily the bet yet - I really liked Mandy! I thought it was Donna Matthews at first. And Jonattan Yeah? was on form "Oh I hope we haven't offended ab-solute-ly ev-eryone"

Nathan's now the central figure at last. In the early episodes they had to try and find something for him to do inbetween the Dan scenes, now it was Dan who had the sub-plot - the wank in the bogs scene was this weeks scissors-in-cat's-head: the gratuitous gross-out big-laugh shot. (and Brooker/Morris stuck to a convential comedic power-of-three with Dan "leaking" sugaRAPE flyers to telegraph a pay-off: dropping them once in the office, next in the caff and then finally in the bogs which then meant the builder could find him at the end of the episode (as if Dan would carry SA flyers with him anyway!?))

Best comedy on TV at the moment.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ho ho, RJG.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i've moved from wanting it to be like the website to wanting it to be about jonattan.

NR_Q, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I know you're not being sarcastic, cathy.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

as if Dan would carry SA flyers with him anyway!

It was a nice surreal motif, I think, that now he's being pwned by Jonattan, these things appear in his pockets/bag of their own accord.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I had lunch with a colleague today who has to drop ZILLIONS of flyers for our employer's 'live' night which happens in about a week.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Will it be any good, though, yeah?

BARMS, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be totally fucking Mexico

My Son Calls Another Man Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Barms, it's next Thursday at Cargo and the lineup is: Lady Sovereign, JME, Crazy Titch, Klashnekoff, Durrty Goodz, Stush, Kano, Demon & Ghetto, Katie Pearl, some folks from Roll Deep, DJ Logan Sama and DJ Ross Allen and MC Riko. All for £5 advance, too.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Lady Sovereign, JME, Crazy Titch, Klashnekoff, Durrty Goodz, Stush, Kano, Demon & Ghetto, Katie Pearl

I don't know what's real life and what's chris morris any more.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzzzzzy, that looks pretty damn cool. I will holla at thee.

Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

GAAAAAA

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)


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