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nobody owns the city.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

kate, wtf is your snobby attitude at? most people cannot afford to live in downtown nyc (or london). this doesn't make them wankers. if you journey to another town, or another part of london, does it mean you are 'cluttering up the place'? what about those channel tunnellers coming over from eastern europe -- are they wankers?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The only clubs worth going to are ones with comfy chairs, quiet and no queues at the bar or expensive drinks. Big op the Pall Mall massive.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Not to the people that live in those central areas of cities, it's not. They're for living in.

It's more the disrespect and total disregard for anyone else, residents or not, that makes B&T so awful. Don't behave in someone else's neighbourhood in a way that you would not behave in your own.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not being snobby in saying THIS IS NOT A FUCKING PARTY PEN. THIS IS MY HOME. YOU WOULD NOT TREAT YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD THIS WAY, SO WHY DO YOU TREAT MINE THIS WAY? Clearly everyone who comes in from the suburbs doesn't behave like a wanker. But enough of them do to make it a known and recognised problem.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

...assuming the area you live is full of people attending bars, clubs, gigs, museums, eating in its cafes or restaurants, viewing its tourist attractions, or working in its numerous offices, obv.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know what NYC is like but I am almost certain anyone who fucks stuff up when they go out does so in their own neighbourhood just as much as anywhere else.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post, but Kate, MOVE OUT OF FUCKING TOWN ALREADY.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said, I harbour secret fantasies of going to New Jersey or Wimbledon or whatever other suburb I feel like, getting extremely drunk, shouting loudly as I walk down the street, vomiting in people's doorsteps, pissing against their fences, shouting some more, verbally harrassing the residents and generally behaving like B&T types behave in the centre of cities.

What do you think the chances are that I would be arrested? Quite high. SO WHY DO PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE THAT IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT?!?!?

Mark, FUCK YOU AND THE HIGH HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

believe me I live in a leafy suburb and have done all the above, YOU'LL BE GRAND.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

THE FUCKING PHRASE "BRIDGE AND TUNNEL" WOULD NOT EVEN EXIST IF OTHER PEOPLE DID NOT FIND THE PHENOMENON AS ANNOYING AND FUCKWITTED AS I DO.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the problem? You obviously hate it to the point of inability to even discuss it rationally, so why don't you just leave? The phrase "put up or shut up" was invented for just this situation.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

it's on!

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I am irrational with rage at things other than just living in Central London right now. I am doing my best not to let it ooze all over ILX but right now I'm finding other targets for my anger.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know you didn't invent the term 'B&T', but that doesn't make it any less obnoxious in implications.

Not to the people that live in those central areas of cities, it's not. They're for living in.

Well, no, central London is not for the people who live there. At all! It's a fucking financial and cultural (and, once, industrial) capital -- people come to it from all over the world. Were you born within the sound of Bow Bells? No?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread has everything

― pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

bag of chips would be nice.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

There's even a fucking club in Shoreditch called Bridge and Tunnel. I don't care if you find it obnoxious, it's not as obnoxious as the behaviour it describes.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate you ignorant moron. Exactly the same behaviour happens in Wimbledon every night at 11pm. Come down here and check it out and for once in your life have a fucking clue about something you're whining on about on ILX.

Jesus. Has one person ever been so full of sanctimonious shit???

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

STEVIE GO FUCK YOURSELF.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

STOP YELLING YOU FREAK!

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry) IGNORANT FREAK

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate myself right now, I'm turning into Jess. But I hate you sanctimonious fuckwits even more right now. Fuck you Stevie, just fuck you.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Look in the mirror. We are not the sanctimonious ones.

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, goddamit. Is the sensation of snobbery really so irresistible to you? Are you not aware that your tedious posts on classism, etc, read like someone vomiting after having a copy of the Daily Mail shoved down their throats? Are you really so addicted to empty, blustering rhetoric??

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

'Well, no, central London is not for the people who live there. At all! It's a fucking financial and cultural (and, once, industrial) capital -- people come to it from all over the world. Were you born within the sound of Bow Bells? No?'

But a little considerationb for the thousands of people who do live there would be nice.

(Oh and in answer to your question; yes, but wrong Bow)

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course people ought not piss on each other's doorstep -- goes without saying. But the idea of central London being for its residents just won't wash.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

But that lack of consideration is hardly restricted to the centre of London, is it? Lunkhead moronic drunken behaviour happens all over the country, not just central London. Trust me, as Wimbledon fortnight appproaches, I'm bracing myself for an extra influx of non-Wimbledonians (in addition to all those who come here every weekend anyway) who will have fights in the town centre, cover the streets with broken bottles and vomit, and generally make living here just a little less lovely.

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I am going through a shitty breakup right now, which is forcing me to leave the neighbourhood and a flat that I love. I slept on a friend's couch last night, and I got about 4 hours of sleep due to drunken assholes wandering down the high street shouting. I am not inclined to be reasonable right now about drunken assholes. Take your sanctimonious wittering about classism and snobbery and shove it down your £15,000 inheritence, Stevie.

I am not saying that the centre of a city should be for residents only. But I *AM* saying that if you visit a place, ANY place, you should show the same respect and consideration as if it were your own home and neighbourhood.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/from.ed/1997/jun/29/photos/P000014114.jpg

LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!

― Mills Lane (Dom Passantino), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't like to cause trouble but yes indeed the behaviour that kate describes happens somewhere in pretty much every decent-sized city every weekend.

― the surface noise and the analogue warmth (electricsound), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevie OTM about Wimbledon town centre, both pre- and during the tennis. I've been attacked and robbed in Wimbledon, much as I love it really.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(Stevie, would you go to a Wimbledon FAP? I wonder who else'd turn up?)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't argue with that -- alas some people are fucking nightmares in their own street, it isn't the journey downtown that brings it out.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said previously, "Bridge and Tunnel" is a term that originated in NYC. It is by no means confined to NYC, or to London.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the term bridge and tunnel

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

end up feeling very conscious of being some sort of weirdo for this

totally OTM. I just couldn't understand why 99% of the student population at my uni found getting pissed on alcopops and dancing to the worst music ever made to be the highlight of their week, but it also made me feel like an unsociable recluse for not wanting to go. Really I only went there to meet other students and do the whole social thing. I wasted a lot of time in my efforts.

Enrique - hah, I want to excelsior that but I don't know if anyone else would know what you're talking about.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

clearly we need to turn the circle line into a moat

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Except Shoreditch would be outside said moat.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree that ppl tend to be wilder when they go on a 'bigger' night out as such. You go to your local for a 'few drinks with the lads' & then you go on a wild night out in the city.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Buddha says chill, y'all.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wadh1786/peace.jpg

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost to dog latin

NB: I am barred from the Earl of Derby. Recognize.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Then we could have a border war with hackney.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed in "wanting to fight the poor" shocker, har.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

After last night, I hate Hackney. Now I know where the freaking noisy ass B&T types actually come from.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it's hard for suburbanites to empathise with city folk - when i was younger i used to believe people who lived in Zone 1 were either really really rich or really really poor - i was right in the middle of those two and couldn't relate, and i hated the idea of living right in the centre until recent years because of the noise and grime (no jokes please). but where i grew up people didn't really go uptown for a big night out that often it seems, not the people i knew anyway, which frustrated me deeply.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

include ZOne 2 with Zone 1 there

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(Stevie, would you go to a Wimbledon FAP? I wonder who else'd turn up?

I would be there, indeedy. But we must be *very* careful about which pub we choose.

Kate - I'd much rather my dad were still here (albeit not suffering) than have the money he left me. Hope that eases your breakup.

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It doesn't have to be London Stevem. Ppl always choose a bigger place for say stag & hen dos for example.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I just hate the way that the "class issue" or accusations of snobbery are being brought in as automatic responses to everything I say, regardless of whether I have a point or not. Would I be entitled to call lager louts "puente y túnel" or more likely "nave y aeropuerto" if I were a poor, Spanish fisherman complaining about British holidaymakers in Ibiza? Huh?

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

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