2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Maybe, but the issue of assisted suicide is a very different matter from the issue of the appropriateness of Congress getting its nose into one patient's case. I think his Schiavo regrets were more about the latter and didn't address the former at all. xxpost

I didn't mean Obama should fight back against Ferraro or Steinem. I meant must start fighting back -- aggressively and now -- against HRC's comments and attacks.

?!? he voted for that schiavo bullshit?!

COLUMBUS, Miss -- Sen. Barack Obama delivered an animated rebuke today of suggestions from the Clintons in recent days that he could run as her vice president.

“Now first of all with all due respect, with all due respect," he said here during a town hall meeting. "I won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So I don’t’ know how someone in second place can offer the vice presidency to someone in first place. If I was in second place I could understand but I am in first place right now.

He referenced comments from Bill Clinton in 1992 that his “most important criteria” for vice president was that person must be ready to be commander in chief.

“They have been spending the last two or three weeks” arguing that he is not ready to be commander in chief, Obama said.

“I don’t understand. If I am not ready, why do you think I would be such a great vice president?” Obama asked the crowd, which gave him a standing ovation during his defense. “I don’t understand.”

“You can’t say he is not ready on day one, then you want him to be your vice president,” Obama continued. “I just want everybody to absolutely clear: I am not running for vice president. I am running to be president of the United States of America.

He's taking a lot in terms of style and cadence from Malcolm X, FYI. Well done.

whole thing posted upthread yo

does anybody think this "mail-in do-over" proposal in FL and MI is actually a good idea? sounds pretty half-assed to me.

?!? he voted for that schiavo bullshit?!

actually, no, not that I can see. He regrets not actively trying to stop it from passing

(he went on vacation along with a bunch of other senators)

*whew*

whole thing posted upthread yo

yeah i copied it

does anybody think this "mail-in do-over" proposal in FL and MI is actually a good idea? sounds pretty half-assed to me.

Supported (in at least a lukewarm way) by Gov. Crist, right? Tells you who McCain would rather face in the GE.

i think if I lived in those states I'd be pissed that my vote didn't count, so yeah, they should probably do something. both candidates have money and time to campaign there and I dont' think the outcome in either state would be significantly different from where it would have been had they done their primaries at the 'appropriate' time. I don't know who would win in either one, florida is obviously a freak anomaly state that never makes any sense to me. even if clinton wins both, i doubt it will be by big enough margins to eradicate obama's lead. he will have a lead into the convention.

if McCain chose Crist as veep I wouldn't be too disappointed. The guy is an unrepentant moderate, maybe a discreet homosexual, and inoffensive.

yeah mccain is part of the 'everything' 9/11 changed i think

btw guise

With that middle name, I don't know, if he gets elected you know the Middle Easterners are gonna be dancing in the streets

:( :( :( not you too mom arghhhhhhhhhhh :( :( :(

home for a couple days at spring break w/gf, sister, mom & mom. hilary signs everywhere and the anti-o smears flowing like wine guhhhhhhhhh

do what that guy did upthread and stab someone

if McCain chose Crist as veep I wouldn't be too disappointed. The guy is an unrepentant moderate, maybe a discreet homosexual, and inoffensive.

All true. But to the extent you think Florida is in play in the GE -- and Florida is clearly a state the GOP really, really wants (probably needs) to win -- McCain choosing Crist will help him tremendously here.

FWIW, I think Florida is GOP country in the GE.

Yeah, as far as Republican governors go, it could be a lot worse than Crist (I even voted for him in the last election...the Dem option, Jim Davis, was a douchebag).

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OTOH, Crist isn't going to satisfy the GOP's hard-right wing. If McCain thinks he's got Florida in the "win" column, he may look elsewhere.

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/girl-in-clintons-3am-ad-supports-obama/20080310083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

lol teh children have spoken

is there any good articles re: republican voters sabotaging the dem primary from here on out?

xpost BTW she's nearly 18, cute, plans to study international relations and is a potential Obama convention delegate.

Karma zing!

2008 Candidates: Gotta' Catch 'Em All!

is there any good articles re: republican voters sabotaging the dem primary from here on out?

-- tremendoid, Monday, March 10, 2008 3:04 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i have been wondering about this too. rush was taking full credit for hill's texas "win" on wednesday morning, but i'd like to see a more objective look at whether he really did help sway the results.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/john_heilemann_and_joe_trippi.html

^^that's a pretty interesting exchange

Barack did win Texas, but it's too late now: worldwide media already reported Hillary won.

http://experienceproject.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obama-won-texas-primary-right.html

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zx6ttt.jpg

he won a slight edge in delgates because he won the caucus part of the texas 2step, he lost the primary part by a fairly small amount. he needed to win the primary by a nice 8-10% margin to mortally wound her, but her momentum from press coverage of her "win" has already mostly been killed, esp. if Obama wins tonight in Miss.

Is everything about Texas this confusing? :-)

texas is a feeling

Camp Obama fact-checks Clinton's foreign policy resume, find nothing to support her experience, making the case that Obama "does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security." It's a tough memo. It's about time. http://thepage.time.com/obama-foreign-policy-memo/

Geraldine Ferraro is a cunt.

I've been saying "pig", in the weeks since her Times opinion piece defending the noblesse oblige of the superdelegates...

The superdelegates were created to lead, not to follow. They were, and are, expected to determine what is best for our party and best for the country. I would hope that is why many superdelegates have already chosen a candidate to support.

Besides, the delegate totals from primaries and caucuses do not necessarily reflect the will of rank-and-file Democrats. Most Democrats have not been heard from at the polls. We have all been impressed by the turnout for this year’s primaries — clearly both candidates have excited and engaged the party’s membership — but, even so, turnout for primaries and caucuses is notoriously low. It would be shocking if 30 percent of registered Democrats have participated.

If that is the case, we could end up with a nominee who has been actively supported by, at most, 15 percent of registered Democrats. That’s hardly a grassroots mandate...

Perhaps because I have endorsed Mrs. Clinton, I have noticed that most of the people complaining about the influence of the superdelegates are supporters of Mr. Obama...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html

Can't you hear her sniff? If a bit too haughtily for someone with a "connected" husband?

ABC picks up the Clinton tax return story: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4421457

It's about time...

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance...

hahahaha

this tribalism is going to kill us, yall realize that, right?

wow that obama memo wow!

traacer u do realize hillary gave him no choice - the red phone was a riiiiiinnning

obama does not so much assault clinton as he does simply assist her foot into her mouth.

yea that obama memo is some harsh shit. it is about time though. and yes to both of these:

u do realize hillary gave him no choice - the red phone was a riiiiiinnning

obama does not so much assault clinton as he does simply assist her foot into her mouth.

Clinton is good but she REALLY doesn't think she's going to win a rhetoric battle with Obama, does she?

Firm but fair seems to be about the gist of it and once again Dan is right.

Team Obama also calling for Team Clinton to repudiate Ferarro's comment.

SHAME ON YOU GERALDINE FERRARO...

Hey, for one sentence Ferraro in her shitbrick hit gold:

"Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship - that's the way our country is."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/10/large_310.jpg

Clinton campaigner in WSJ - damn that Barack Obama and those meddling kids:

Supporters of Sen. Clinton also worry about young voters, male and female, who have turned out in large numbers for Sen. Obama. "Young students for Obama could stay home; that's one reason I am so furious at them," says Fran Reiter, former deputy mayor of New York and a Clinton supporter. "They are all excited about him, and they don't have any staying power. If Obama doesn't get the nomination, do they get angry again and crawl back into their apathetic hole?"

I am shocked, shocked...

haha